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#1168435 - 12/22/07 04:36 PM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: ]
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PAULY SHORE??? Say it isn't so buuuuuuddddy.

Seriously though everyone talks about the weather but no one does anything about it. And there is a GOOD reason why not. If God gave us the ability to change in this way what He has created we would have screwed things up beyond belief a long time ago. Remember, you (all of you) are listening (on both sides) to people who have supposedly created the problem. What makes you so confident they now know the answer? Do you really think we are that smart? We are all Pauly Shore whether we like it or not!

Being cautious is fine. It's just that, presumably, we got into this mess by accident. We didn't TRY to screw up the environment, we were just trying to survive. In our caution we may end up screwing things up worse.


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#1168436 - 12/22/07 04:58 PM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: OFFicerJACK]
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What makes you so confident they now know the answer?




I think 'do less' is a good start. Stunning in its simplicity, huh?
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#1168437 - 12/23/07 07:37 AM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: Dribles]
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What makes you so confident they now know the answer?




I think 'do less' is a good start. Stunning in its simplicity, huh?




I agree. Plus, that's like saying how do we now know the world is round rather than flat? Or how do we now know that the Earth orbits the sun rather than the other way round? As a culture advances and evolves, things become apparent that weren't before. The fact that our environment is fragile and easily shagged up is one of them, and that, whether we're wholly to blame or not, we certainly aren't helping
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#1168438 - 12/24/07 03:20 AM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: Lureman]
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Al Gore can't convince 50.1% of voters in his home state that he'd make a better President than the big W, but he can perpetrate a worldwide scientific fraud?
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#1168439 - 12/24/07 05:21 AM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: tgas2010]
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Al Gore can't convince 50.1% of voters in his home state that he'd make a better President than the big W, but he can perpetrate a worldwide scientific fraud?




I dont belive Al Gore is the only person talking about global warming.
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#1168440 - 12/24/07 09:48 AM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: tgas2010]
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Al Gore can't convince 50.1% of voters in his home state that he'd make a better President than the big W, but he can perpetrate a worldwide scientific fraud?




Can I borrow your tinfoil hat? I used mine for leftovers.
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#1168441 - 12/24/07 09:50 AM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: Dribles]
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Al Gore can't convince 50.1% of voters in his home state that he'd make a better President than the big W, but he can perpetrate a worldwide scientific fraud?




I dont belive Al Gore is the only person talking about global warming.




That's right, he's far from the only person. He's just probably the most high-profile. I think it's good that he has whether he has an ulterior motive or not
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#1168442 - 12/24/07 02:35 PM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: dawurz]
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Al Gore can't convince 50.1% of voters in his home state that he'd make a better President than the big W, but he can perpetrate a worldwide scientific fraud?




Can I borrow your tinfoil hat? I used mine for leftovers.




I think I may have been misunderstood - I should have mentioned I was replying to the editorial comment in the initial post that maybe gives Al a little too much credit for for brainwashing everyone but 400 brave scientists and cowing their spineless collegues into silence ("Just goes to show that Al Gore is a lying sack of **** looking to use the gullible to his own personal gain.")

Oh man, if you haven't got your tinfoil hat already, it's far too late for you.
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#1168443 - 12/24/07 09:40 PM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: tgas2010]
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Al Gore can't convince 50.1% of voters in his home state that he'd make a better President than the big W, but he can perpetrate a worldwide scientific fraud?




Can I borrow your tinfoil hat? I used mine for leftovers.




I think I may have been misunderstood - I should have mentioned I was replying to the editorial comment in the initial post that maybe gives Al a little too much credit for for brainwashing everyone but 400 brave scientists and cowing their spineless collegues into silence ("Just goes to show that Al Gore is a lying sack of **** looking to use the gullible to his own personal gain.")

Oh man, if you haven't got your tinfoil hat already, it's far too late for you.




Not all of the 400 who appear on the list as "prominent scientists" have actually researched climate change, e.g. Ray Kurzweil, the numerous economists, the welder, the political theorist. In going through it, the list seems to be full of people who have little-to-no climate change experience, including a growing number who represent Exxon Mobile funded front groups, i.e. David E. Wojick of the Heartland Institute (one of over 40 groups Exxon Mobile gives money to - groups who have a goal to introduce uncertainly about climate change into the 'conventional wisdom'). In using Kurzweil's quote from CNN, Inhofe deleted Kurzweil's line "I think global warming is real" - see my earlier post about quote mining and cherry picking (tactics also used by groups denying evolution).

So far, I have not found one person in Inhofe's release that disputes the existence of global warming.

In fact, in my reading of it so far, every person in Inhofe's release do not express any doubt about whether climate change IS real and a problem, the majority simply have divergent opinions about the degree of global warming, its consequences, and solutions; others believe Gore's warnings are too dire (certainly fair), others, when you read their full quotes prior to Inhofe's cherry picking, actually make points that dispute the report itself! All make the report's claim of "Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007" disingenuous.

Btw, what tinfoil do you use? I'm a Reynolds man!
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#1168444 - 12/25/07 12:15 AM Re: 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 [Re: dawurz]
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Store brand; I'm a cheapskate. Maybe I should upgrade to block the alien waves better...the other day Pat Buchanan said something I agreed with. It was just one little thing, but why take chances?!
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