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I wonder how long this thread will go on for?

It is pointless quoting scripture after scripture because even Lucifer, (the devil) knows the Bible, even better than most Christians do.

What matters is not how many verses I can quote, how much Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin I know and whatever languages the Bible has been translated into.

It doesn't even matter whether I go to a Church (which I haven't been to one in months), how many times I pray a day, what foods I do or don't eat or drink including alcohol.

What matters is my relationship with God. Despite what many people believe there are no rules and regulations in Christianity. As Augustine said "Love God and do as you please" As my relationship with my family members is not based on rules ( not now being nearly 37) so my relationship with God is not based on rules. For the Law was given through Moses; but grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.(John 1:17)

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Some people accuse God of being a dictator and malevolent. This could be further from the truth. God does not send anyone to hell, they send themselves to hell. All the violence, war and suffering now in the World is not because of God. Lucifer's biggest lie was not to get people not to believe in God but into believing that God was anything but Good.

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The ultimate and original source of all wars, suffering, violence etc is when Lucifer launched His failed coup in Heaven. After that He subtly tricked Adam and Eve from their "lease" of the Earth. Ever since.... the whole world lies in the power of the evil one (1 John 5:19)

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Lucifer doesn't really care for those who follow Him, once they have served their purpose He discards them like a bad memory.

Perhaps in future I'll use this tactic:

As C.S.Lewis said "Above all else, the Devil cannot stand to be mocked"

perhaps I'll do this with a certain SPer.

I had a certain SPer in mind when I wrote this post.

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The thing that kills me about bible quotes is that people have the uncanny ability to pick and choose what they believe in. They take one passage literally, then cast aside other passages as figurative. Other passages still, they ignore altogether. If you're going to use the bible as the rulebook of your faith, it's an all or nothing prospect.

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Now DLH, my good man, you're quite the well-spoken deamonic entity. But all of your arguments fall apart here. You're demanding that all Christians be literal fundamentalists, when clearly, all Christians are not. You're also falling into the common trap of treating the Christian Bible as one book. When clearly, it's not. It's a collection of multiple books, written by multiple authors, with multiple literary styles for multiple purposes. To demand that every Biblical passage be treated exactly the same way is, quite frankly, ignorant of literary types. Certain Christian fundamentalists do this, and they're ignorant when they do so. But just as many non-believers do this as well, and they're every bit as silly as the fundamentalists they claim to oppose.

There's a fairly famous saying that goes "Scratch an atheist, and reveal a fundamentalist", because both sides often look at the Bible the same exact way - the 100% literal way, as you're demanding here. But anyone who knows anything about literary types knows that you don't treat a parable the same way you treat a historical record (just two of the many varied literary types found within the different books that comprise the Christian Bible). And you don't treat a command from the New Testament involving Christ commanding his followers the same way you treat a command from the Old Testament such as those found in Leviticus (which specifically applied only to members of the Jewish tribe of Levi, and not to Christians today - both atheists and Christian fundamentalists seem to love to trip themselves up when it comes to Leviticus). Yet both the atheists and fundamentalists continue to keep making these same literary mistakes, over and over. Many of which are found all throughout this thread.

I think it's because both sides just like to hear themselves argue, myself.

Anyway, just my 2 cents, as a humble lover of literature, both secular and divine. Carry on, my wayward son.

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Biblically, god cast many people in the bible. As the Judge, Jury and Executioner of the book, he set himself if the sole role of being the one to send others to hell. We don't send ourselves.

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And for a different perspective on things, a rather interesting blog entry I came across recently:

It is amazing how so many people think that blasphemy is the most courageous of the sins. They all seem to have some fantasy that either a mob of Christians is going to string them up for their transgressive courage, or the irritable old gentleman in the white beard is going to finally lose his temper and start throwing thunderbolts. They don't *get* that blasphemy, like all sin, is its own punishment. That, like all sin, it darkens the intellect, hardens the heart, and further disorders the appetites. It also, like all sin, cuts you off from the love you've wanted all your life and surrounds you with various fakes (whom you know to be fakes at some level) and make the universe a colder, deader place than you already have told yourself it is. The apotheosis of this is the loneliness and coldness of hell, which is not some place God "sends" you because he's a vain popinjay who is ticked about affronts to his ego, it's a place to which you exile yourself because, despite every attempt to love you (including taking three nails and a lance for you) you remained the pathetic sort of person who preferred to write "Jesus was a liar" on the bathroom wall and pat yourself on the back for your transgressive courage.

Just some food for thought from the opposition, DLH.

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That kind of talk is certainly not good for business.

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Biblically, god cast many people in the bible. As the Judge, Jury and Executioner of the book, he set himself if the sole role of being the one to send others to hell. We don't send ourselves.

And as far as god being 'good', I think I've already posted a picture that shows that god, or His people are responsible for killing more people than The Devil. The Devil did not drown people in the great flood. The Devil did not turn Lot's wife into salt. The Devil did not sit idly by and watch Job's life fall apart, The Devil did not inspire the Crusades......in fact, you will find one force behind all of these 'evil' acts.....

Yes, the Devil thinks he can do things better...and with god's track record, that's not all too hard.

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Nobody has marched into war with a pentagram on their chest. Crosses have adorned the garb of more warriors than any other symbol in the last 2000 years. Here's a test. Ask someone who's an atheist, homosexual, muslim, jew or even a woman....who they felt more hated by...alienated by...discriminated against....Christians or Devil Worshipers.

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Mock what you will, I'm suprisingly okay with it.

I don't take much personally.

I'm just here to offer an alternative perspective. To balance out the religious right. I am an adversary.


~The Devil's Left Hand

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My point is, however, that using quotes from the bible is a two way street. If you're going to pick and choose what you want to use to further your point, I can do the same.

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I do believe that if you're going to adopt something, you do so fundamentally. I think you should either be a Christian fundamentalist or not a Christian at all. I think it's lazy to only half worship your chosen deity.

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But I disagree here. I don't see the rejection of rigid fundamentalism as being "half-worship". It seems more like "smart-worship" to me.

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Overall, I think you make a good point though. People that purport to call themselves worshipers of the Nazarene could learn a lot from your explanation. The unfortunate thing is, though, they won't. As long as Christians argue with me on my level, I win. I'm playing the long game here.

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And finally, I agree with you here, too.

I myself believe in God, but I'm obviously not a fundamentalist about it. Which is another reason I usually avoid threads like this since I tend to fight both sides , and I'm really just here at SP to view hot women.

Now, back to the hot women!

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At least God gave the people in the time of Noah over 100 years to change their ways. Enough time don't you think.

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At least God warned Lot's wife not to look back at Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Have you actually read Job, Who was directly involved Job's suffering? God did limit what the devil was able to do though.

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As for the Crusades I do admit that the Church got it wrong but it was only a reaction to 300-400 years of Islamic Expansion.

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Nobody has marched into war with a pentagram on their chest. Crosses have adorned the garb of more warriors than any other symbol in the last 2000 years. Here's a test. Ask someone who's an atheist, homosexual, muslim, jew or even a woman....who they felt more hated by...alienated by...discriminated against....Christians or Devil Worshipers.

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God did not do all those things, humans did.

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My point is, however, that using quotes from the bible is a two way street. If you're going to pick and choose what you want to use to further your point, I can do the same.

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