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#5013394 - 08/25/16 04:45 PM 2016/2017 NFL thread
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Raiders file to trademark 'Las Vegas Raiders', release renderings of $1.9 billion stadium



The Oakland Raiders are taking no chances with their proposed move, it seems.

According to the US Patent and Trademark Office, the Raiders have filed to trademark the phrase "Las Vegas Raiders." The trademark application was made on Aug. 20 and covers "education and entertainment services in the nature of professional football games and exhibitions" as well as clothing and merchandise.

The Raiders are currently on a one-year lease at the Coliseum and have actively scouted potential stadium sites in Los Angeles, San Antonio and Las Vegas.

But the Vegas plan is the one that's truly moving forward. On Thursday, the Southern Nevada Tourism Infrastructure Committee is meeting to discuss the stadium proposal. The proposal (which you can view in its entirety here: http://sntic.org/meeting/16/lvstadium/raiders/SNTIC_Stadium_Presentation_08.25.16.pdf) estimates the project's total cost: a stunning $1.9 billion.

The stadium is designed by MANICA Architecture, the firm behind practically every massive stadium build from the last 10 years, including Wembley, Reliant Stadium and Dolphin Stadium.

Construction is estimated to cost $1.3 billion, and 39-percent of the total cost is expected to come from "public investment." The stadium proposal says the City of Las Vegas can expect to earn $100 million in "annual exposure value" if the Raiders move there.

Raiders owner Mark Davis said he would be willing to pay $500 million to build a new stadium in Vegas.

"Together we can turn the Silver State into the silver and black state," Davis said in April.

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I am a Raiders fan from Frank Youell Field -- before they built the Oakland Coliseum in 1966 -- so this news is very disappointing. I guess Mike Davis has to leave all his options open.

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#5013443 - 08/25/16 05:53 PM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: ddpahc]
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The Raiders should talk to the folks who built Rio's Maracana Stadium. It's still being used for football (soccer) 66 years after it opened!


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#5014113 - 08/26/16 03:31 PM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: XenaGuy]
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Some 49ers tickets are selling for half price or lower:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/49ers-ticket-prices-9184843.php

That's what you get when you run a shitty team from the top down!

The link has a slide show that details ticket cost from specific games in the upcoming season. Then it goes into a bunch of 49ers crap. SFgate.com does that all the time.

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#5014341 - 08/26/16 11:00 PM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: ddpahc]
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I want to go to the Browns-Ravens game in Cleveland this year, but the ticket prices are a bit high right now. I figure if I wait long enough I can get a better price on them.

The preseason is telling me that the Browns can really only do one thing well: throw deep passes. Problem is, that only works a couple times a game. The defense is going to get mauled hard. Offensively, it's clearly evident that RG3 hasn't really changed significantly enough at QB to really be worth anything, since he seems to only really be able to throw deep balls & obviously open receivers & run, and even then he tries not to run anymore. The running game is going to be tricky. I'm badly hoping that Cody Kessler can progress quickly, but he looks incredibly raw in the preseason.
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#5014908 - 08/27/16 08:32 PM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: GhostManX]
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Speaking of the Browns, the Bucs won their first preseason game against them yesterday. Here's one columnist's take on the game:
Originally Posted By: Martin Fennely, Tampa Bay Times
Bucs-Browns grade book
Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:04am

The place-kicker looked like a place-kicker. The star quarterback looked like a star quarterback, the offense looked like an offense. The defense looked like a defense. And Adam Humphries and the pun-return team looked like maniacs on one touchdown. - And that was just watching it on the new video boards. - Did we mention that the Browns are AWFUL? - It came together for the Bucs and coach Dirk Koetter in the first half of the preseason home opener and all-important third practice game Friday. - Better still, it came together for Roberto Aguayo, the Ice Man, and just before the guys with the butterfly nets came along. Aguayo was perfect, and he needed this night most of all. - Suddenly the season can't begin quickly enough. - Did we mention that the Browns are AWFUL?


1. The can't-miss kid


Grade: A

It isn't every day you see an entire football team rush up to congratulate a kicker for making a kick in a preseason game. But this is Roberto Aguayo's Magical Mystery Tour.

Exhale, Bucs fans. The kid did it.

Aguayo, and the mental coach he rode in on, made a 48-yard field goal early in the 30-13 win. Then he made an extra point. Then another extra point. Then another field goal, from 21 yards. Then another extra point. Then another field goal. Six-for-six. Automatic. Nothing to see here.

It was a far cry from the rookie quivering bowl of jelly we saw in the first two preseason games, when he missed an extra point and two field goals, and earlier this week in practice against Cleveland, when Aguayo missed three of six field-goal attempts. He seemed freighted with doubt. Fans booed. The kicker. At training camp. Now it's just a memory. Aguayo has even canceled his appointment with the witch doctor.

2. Put the QB in bubble wrap

Grade: A

He remembered when to slide and when to scramble. And when to mean business.

Right from the start.

Bucs quarterback Jameis Winston grabbed hold of this game early and held on. The Bucs jumped to a 27-3 lead.

It was just the look they needed.

Winston grabbed a ballcap after finishing with 259 passing yards, two touchdowns and a 125.3 quarterback rating. He made big throws all night. He improvised on the first touchdown, scrambling right, cutting back and hitting Charles Sims for a 3-yard score, and later threw deep, and well, to Mike Evans for a 34-yard score. Winston commanded the game, and even his own aggression, sliding down after a sizable scramble.

The receivers around him flourished - 115 yards for Evans on five catches, 78 yards on four catches for Vincent Jackson and 39 yards on two catches for Adam Humphries, who also broke away for a 73-yard touchdown after grabbing a punt.

3. Is this pass rush for real?

Grade: A

The Bucs' pass rush was all over Browns QB Robert Griffin III most of the night. After four sacks in the first preseason game and four turnovers in the second, the defense had some big moments, including eight sacks.

Any pass rush will be a good pass rush for the Bucs, and it will be the key to everything else for this defense.

Sackwise, it was Jacquies Smith with two sacks, Kwon Alexander, William Gholston, Howard Jones, Kourtnei Brown and Noah Spence with one, and Robert Ayers and Gerald McCoy split one.

Now it's just a matter of whether it's make-believe.

4. They weren't picking on Hargreaves

Grade: D

Brent Grimes had a rough night amid the happiness. The veteran, brought in to steady the secondary, looked more than a little ragged. The Browns had 119 yards passing in the first half, and 87 of them came on deep balls Grimes couldn't cover, one of them a 43-yard touchdown to WR Josh Gordon (below).

This was a concern when Grimes was brought in. Rookie CB Vernon Hargreaves III needed a steadying hand, but Grimes is going to need to cover bigger, taller men on a regular basis, and those days might be behind him. He left with a rib injury in the second half. Yet another worry. Great guy? Yes. Great acquisition? That pass rush better be all the more real.

Hargreaves? Looked good.

5. Hey, Doug Martin's shoe is untied!

Grade: A

The co-stars were the new, gargantuan high-def video boards, two big boards, four baby boards and a 6-foot ribbon of light and video love around Raymond James Stadium's midriff. Throw in the new surround-sound system and did we even need a game? Best video board moment: the shining face of the late Monsignor Laurence Higgins (Ed: Founder and Pastor Emeritus of the St. Lawrence Catholic parish of Tampa, Florida from 1958 to 2007. He died Wednesday at age 97.), one of the sweetest men to ever bless a town and true friend and fan of the Bucs and Tampa Bay sports.

Sure, it was just preseason, but last year these same two teams played in the 3rd preseason game, and the Browns won, 31-7.
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#5015058 - 08/28/16 02:08 AM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: XenaGuy]
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Call me crazy but I think Dallas is going to be really good with Dak Prescott at QB. He looks like the real deal so far.

http://www.nfl.com/player/dakprescott/2555260/gamelogs
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#5015084 - 08/28/16 04:34 AM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: someguy2]
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I was happy to see the Bucs play so well Friday, but it's one thing to beat the stuffing out of Cleveland, and something else to play a real NFL team.
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#5015469 - 08/28/16 04:09 PM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: XenaGuy]
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Originally Posted By: someguy2
Call me crazy but I think Dallas is going to be really good with Dak Prescott at QB. He looks like the real deal so far.

http://www.nfl.com/player/dakprescott/2555260/gamelogs
It's preseason. Probably a good sign that he's looked okay, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. They're still going to need a backup with Romo injured, though.

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I was happy to see the Bucs play so well Friday, but it's one thing to beat the stuffing out of Cleveland, and something else to play a real NFL team.
Our defense is going to be terribad this year. It's probably too tough to read into the Tampa offense's results.
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#5016821 - 08/30/16 01:57 PM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: GhostManX]
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Colin Kaepernick didn't stand for two other national anthems this pre-season, but almost nobody noticed because he wasn't in uniform. At any rate, he's no longer even a *good* quarterback. A different article I saw on this wondered if he's even going to make the team. He's making what the 49ers consider a shitload of money: $11.9 million this season and more next year if he's on the roster.

The Niners could surprise people, but I think they're going to have another lousy season. The crap in that organization starts with CEO Jed York and GM Trent Baalke and continues downward. Now they have an unproven Chip Kelly at head coach. At this point my plan for 2016/2017 is to NOT watch any 49ers football.


Slavery and the national anthem: The surprising history behind Colin Kaepernick's protest

By AJ Willingham, CNN
Tue August 30, 2016

(CNN) "I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag. I know that I am a black man in a white world."

That's not Colin Kaepernick, the San Francisco 49ers quarterback whose refusal to stand during the national anthem has invited criticism from all corners of the sports world.

That's Jackie Robinson, beloved baseball pioneer and civil rights activist, writing in his 1972 autobiography, "I Never Had It Made."

After Kaepernick was spotted sitting during the anthem preceding last Friday's NFL preseason game, the struggling quarterback said he would not stand "to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

It's hard not to notice their words are almost perfectly aligned. But it shouldn't be a surprise when you consider some historical context, namely, that the anthem actually contains a reference to slavery and Kaepernick is far from the first athlete to question its scope.

The national anthem's forgotten lyrics

"The Star-Spangled Banner" was written by Francis Scott Key in 1814 about the American victory at the Battle of Fort McHenry. We only sing the first verse, but Key penned three more. This is the third verse:

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


The mere mention of "slave" is not entirely remarkable; slavery was alive and well in the United States in 1814. Key himself owned slaves, was an anti-abolitionist and once called his African brethren "a distinct and inferior race of people."

Some interpretations of these lyrics contend Key was in fact taking pleasure in the deaths of freed black slaves who had decided to fight with the British against the United States.
In order to bolster their numbers, British forces offered slaves their freedom in British territories if they would join their cause during the war. These black recruits formed the Colonial Marines, and were looked down upon by people like Key who saw their actions as treasonous.

As an anthem, "The Star-Spangled Banner" has never been a unanimous fit. Since it was officially designated as the national anthem in 1931, Americans have debated the suitability of its militaristic lyrics and difficult tune. (Some have offered up "God Bless America" and "America the Beautiful" as alternatives.)

Athletes and the American ritual

The American ritual of the national anthem has always been a crucible for patriotism and protest. It presents a particularly fraught dynamic for sports stars, since sports events are often so closely tied with the rhetoric of American pride. When a highly visible opinion comes up against a highly visible symbol, the result is always incendiary.

Around the same time Jackie Robinson was using his achievements to advance civil rights causes, two American Olympic runners, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, raised their fists in a black power salute during a medal ceremony at the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City as the anthem was playing.

The result was iconic. The reaction was ugly. Racial slurs were hurled at the pair and an article in Time called it a "public display of petulance."

Today, similar criticisms have been leveled against Kaepernick, a biracial Super Bowl quarterback who was raised by white adoptive parents and made $13 million in 2014. He was called "spoiled." He was called far worse in his Twitter mentions.

It's a lot of ire for a gesture with a strong historical and rhetorical precedent.

One doesn't even need to dip into iconic moments in history to follow the trend.

Former Cleveland Cavaliers player Dion Waiters refused to be on the court for the anthem in 2014. And Denver Nuggets player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf courted criticism after he deliberately sat during the anthem in 1996.

In fact, Kaepernick didn't stand for the first two preseason games of this year prior to Friday's display. He wasn't in uniform, so no one noticed. Or if they did, they didn't care.

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#5017222 - 08/30/16 09:25 PM Re: 2016/2017 NFL thread [Re: ddpahc]
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I'm proud of Kup. It's got to be hard to do that kind of thing all alone. Of course, without some kind of positive action, it becomes a meaningless gesture. He has to back it up with something for it to be meaningful. I wish him well.
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