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#1883016 - 04/21/09 09:19 PM CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
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CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief
CNSNews.com
Tuesday, April 21, 2009


(CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”

According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.

After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘[o]ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”

The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.

“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’ Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”

After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.

“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.

“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”

A CIA spokesman confirmed to CNSNews.com today that the CIA stands by the factual assertions made here.

In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”
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#3900902 - 07/12/12 10:25 PM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: TexasBlue]
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#3901080 - 07/13/12 12:39 AM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: TaiHudman]
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CIA: We can now confirm that we've been painting the toenails of elephants.
Reporter: Why is that?
CIA: So that they can remain hidden in strawberry patches.
Reporter: Is it working?
CIA: Have you ever seen an elephant in a strawberry patch?
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#3901094 - 07/13/12 12:59 AM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: Feral]
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Originally Posted By: Feral
CIA: We can now confirm that we've been painting the toenails of elephants.
Reporter: Why is that?
CIA: So that they can remain hidden in strawberry patches.
Reporter: Is it working?
CIA: Have you ever seen an elephant in a strawberry patch?
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#3901106 - 07/13/12 01:07 AM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: Moonman]
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HAHA! I love elephant jokes.

A mouse came across an elephant in the jungle, screaming and crying. She had stepped on a thorn. The mouse felt sorry for her, and pulled the thorn out.
The elephant was indeed grateful, and she offered the mouse anything it wanted in return for the good deed.
The mouse, hornier than a rabbit, said: “Well, I’ve always wanted to fuck an elephant.”
The elephant laughed and laughed, and said:”No problem, baby.” and raised the mouse up to her back with her trunk.
The mouse walked to the backside of the elephant, who held her tail out of the way, and got down to it.
A coconut fell from a palm tree and hit the elephant in the head.
“Ow,” she said.
The mouse said: “Yeah, take it all, bitch!”

Now to keep this on topic:

The CIA is a joke.
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#3901201 - 07/13/12 02:07 AM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: Feral]
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Originally Posted By: Feral
CIA: We can now confirm that we've been painting the toenails of elephants.
Reporter: Why is that?
CIA: So that they can remain hidden in strawberry patches.
Reporter: Is it working?
CIA: Have you ever seen an elephant in a strawberry patch?

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#3911806 - 07/19/12 02:11 AM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: Oriental Knight]
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The complete and utter obfuscation in each and every one of the replies to this post is quite telling indeed...
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#3912602 - 07/19/12 07:54 PM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: MDanel93]
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Originally Posted By: MDanel93
The complete and utter obfuscation in each and every one of the replies to this post is quite telling indeed...


I'm pretty sure, by, "obfuscated," or the equivalent form, you mean "I don't understand it," and perhaps "I don't want to understand it," rather than "it is not understandable."

For I understood it perfectly.
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#3912765 - 07/19/12 11:00 PM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: lu61f3r]
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I completely understand it. Except TaiHudman's post.
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#3919120 - 07/24/12 12:43 AM Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles [Re: lu61f3r]
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Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
Originally Posted By: MDanel93
The complete and utter obfuscation in each and every one of the replies to this post is quite telling indeed...


I'm pretty sure, by, "obfuscated," or the equivalent form, you mean "I don't understand it," and perhaps "I don't want to understand it," rather than "it is not understandable."

For I understood it perfectly.


Indeed, most elephant jokes are fairly straightforward, with a tendency towards relying on absurdity as their humor mechanism. Perhaps a better word would have been "disregard."
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