Of course it's important, but it's only a part of the whole. Look at it this way, when most people picture a happily married couple or in an advanced relationship, what do they picture? Most likely it's a form of connection beyond the sexual aspect--holding hands, being partners, supportive of each other. Sex is in the background, it's taken as a given.

Contrast that with the response to the same question in reference to gays and sex is at the forefront. When there's an advancement, you get things like this . Not two women (or two men) holding hands or displaying any deep emotional connection outside of a display of sexuality. The sexuality is all a lot of the straight community care about, though. It's a fetish. The couple isn't recognized as two people in love, it's a display for our own gratification. Almost like porn.

Until gays are seen as actual people like anyone else and not defined by how we perceive their sexual proclivities, nothing will ever really change.

Here's my Libertarian perspective.... while the political twisting of his loyal followers on this issue is funny and entertaining, the issue of gay marriage isn’t going to make a damn bit of difference in my life. Nor will it in anyone elses either. It's nothing but politics for Obama. He already has lost many of the "center" (or moderate voters). I know plenty of Democrat voters in my rural town here in Minnesota (a very liberal state, fyi) and they're turned off by this stance of his.

Point being... he's been a liberal his whole life and he could've took this position in 2008 but he didn't. I wonder why? Most liberals are and have been for legalization of gay marriage for years and years.

So.... Obama may have just sealed his fate. No telling till November though.

But the end result of him having this view now is moot except for politics because it makes no difference. He can't change the fact that any given state may or may not vote to legalize or not. Eventually, this will end up at the SCOTUS. They'll probably rule in favor via the 14th Amendment (equal protection clause). Then people can bitch and moan.

Couldn't agree more!

Whose definition are you using? Because it sounds like quite a few cultures even in America would disagree.

What do you mean 'just words'? I'm not gay in any sense of the word. But I fully support their rights as well as yours.

That's because you equate "alternative lifestyles" with immorality. You are free to believe that, but you cannot impose that belief on others. Legislatively or otherwise.


I've heard this argument a hundred times, and not only is it getting old, it's a lame one. Damn near retarded. It's like believing a child, a dog, and an ice cream cone are the same thing as consenting adults.
And polygamy has been the standard for marriage throughout time. Why doesn't your definition equate to that tradition?


We, we, we. Treading on collectivist grounds. Like I said, you or me as an individual may disagree, but that does not mean we can help make laws against the rights of others.

It's not that way, at all, and saying so leaves me with much to be desired about your sociability.
Personally? I do enjoy seeing two women 'make out'. Most men are aroused by the prospect, because it is women being sexual. And in the same vein, I am disgusted by two men doing the same. Specifically because I am straight.
But do I think it should be illegal? Absolutely not. And like you said, there is more to a relationship than sex. No matter who is involved.
My conviction is to ensuring non-intrusion by the State.

He's signed statements when he was senator to that effect. But does he really believe it? Who knows. What I do know is that he is first and foremost a politician. Which makes every view he pronounces suspect.
Really makes every word out of his mouth suspect.

A fad?
Just sexual?
WTF?
I doubt these have anything to do with the people that vote against gay marriage. It seems more to do with protecting their old ways of marriage being about a man marrying a woman. It's no coincidence that gay marriage is banned in much of the conservative "red" states. Yet also many blue states as well.

Carlito, maybe I'm missing something, but your map appears to be out of date. Homosexual marriage has been legalized in more states than the graphic shows.