Fuck both of you.

You are both much less clever than you must appear in your own minds.

This just a sad and disgusting turn in this thread.

Ah, come on now, if it wasn't clever, you wouldn't be so pissed off.

I know what you meant when you spoke of a leader, but you must admit, after the beginning of the Industrial Age, when it comes to the most smart and dynamic people that have molded minds and changed a country, more often than not, it hasn't been a good thing.
And you are right to blame the education system, but ultimately, it falls on individuals. At some level, they gain a collectivist mindset and abrogate responsibility.
People who call for or go to war without questioning how or why, or vote and make law out of fear.
Cowards and fools.
Thucydides was right.

I don't understand then why you think allowing state governments to select the membership of the Federal Senate is such a good idea.

Didn't you just post an excellent example in another thread (Illinois) of the inability of state legislatures to address fundamental concerns regarding the welfare of their own constituents?

You assume everything is about you. Please note that I addressed that comment to Feral, with whom I have been having an interesting and not uncivil back-and-forth about the pros and cons of agitation.

It may interest him to hear me admit the main reason I joined the Politics section was to stir up support for your removal as moderator; I may have succeeded faster had I tried his methods first, though pragmatism vs. ethics is still a point of contention.



This side of you has been on display for a long time now, of course.

*GASP* A triple agent?! I never!
I was not aware of any moderator status. I was also unaware of dispute of said status. As Spock would say:
Fascinating.

Like I said before, I'm flexible. Doesn't mean I'm not practical. Which and whether I'm speaking about, you can decide. I think I've made my views known; I am a man of ideas.


I imagine this is what Jane Goodall or Diane Fossey felt, if either of them taught chimps or gorillas to make fire.
Please continue.

Because that was the intention of the constitution (originally) to keep the power of the federal gov't in check. In that case of the Senate, it gave the states representation. The people already have that in the House.

That issue is of the state blowing money for public employee pensions. If the Senate had Senators appointed by the states, you still would have 49 others that would vote according to the wishes of their legislators.

I do not call equating my statement as one approving of Hitler on any level "clever."

I call just more of the same base and baseless incendiary rhetoric of leftist myrmidons.

It's not the first time the left here have stooped to playing the Nazi/Hitler card.

It speaks to the weakness of their positions that they cannot present a civil and thoughtful rebuttal to a "conservative" (a misleading label btw) position.

And your willing submission to tgas' vicious lie makes me seriously question your own personal integrity.



Then why play along with tgas' attack?



I can think of several such figures as a matter of fact, most of them associated with the so-called "Progressive" movement of the mid to late 19th century/early 20th.



Individuals surrender responsibility on a personal level. And complacency and the gradual surrender of personal responsibility is a natural development in societies that have prospered for extended lengths of time.

This only becomes a serious societal problem when we have those in government who suggest the abrogation of personal responsibilty as a solution to a given problem.

Collectivism was not a feature of the American mindset until our government schools began heavily pushing these concepts down our children's throats.



Careful, siding with Thucydides could get one labeled a neocon fascist.

Has anyone said we wear white hoods yet? Speaking of which, I think I'm late for my KKK meeting.

Sure... I never fail to post pictures of Hitler and imply others here would advocate Nazism.

You're so full of shit and yourself it's not funny.

Frankly, it looks to me like we're just giving 150 or so legislators in each state their own personal representatives in the Senate. And since I vote for just two state legislators, that means I have no say whatsoever in the decisions the rest make, ostensibly on my behalf.