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#3787160 - 04/27/12 06:41 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: Feral]
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De-centralize the federal gov't. That would be impossible because neither party would allow their power to go back to the states.

Foremost, there needs to be some massive tweaking with the entitlement culture. Again, impossible until the USA literally takes a financial shit. It's like Chris Christie said when talking about tweaking the state union benefits.... unless we fix it now, there won't be any damn entitlements in the future. Unfortunately, the mindless masses won't believe at until it happens. And it will happen in the coming years.
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#3787190 - 04/27/12 07:20 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: TexasBlue]
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Originally Posted By: TexasBlue
De-centralize the federal gov't. That would be impossible because neither party would allow their power to go back to the states.

Foremost, there needs to be some massive tweaking with the entitlement culture. Again, impossible until the USA literally takes a financial shit. It's like Chris Christie said when talking about tweaking the state union benefits.... unless we fix it now, there won't be any damn entitlements in the future. Unfortunately, the mindless masses won't believe at until it happens. And it will happen in the coming years.

I guess those "doomsday preppers" aren't as stupid as they might first appear...because doomsday is coming, and politicians aren't going to stop it anytime soon. rolleyes
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#3787205 - 04/27/12 07:31 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: Qwizzy]
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Originally Posted By: Qwizzy

I guess those "doomsday preppers" aren't as stupid as they might first appear...because doomsday is coming, and politicians aren't going to stop it anytime soon. rolleyes

They may all have a hundred reasons for doing it, but like a spare tire or a weapon, personally, I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
It's gonna be hilarious when all the 'nutjobs' turn out to be correct about the outcome, even if they were wrong about the process.
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#3787256 - 04/27/12 08:07 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: Qwizzy]
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Originally Posted By: Qwizzy
Three words: Second Constitutional Convention. The representatives would be selected by the state legislatures and approved by the governors, but who cannot themselves be politicians or ever have been politicians previously. That way nobody in the current system can get in. Other conditions as necessary--but only to get the most diverse aggregate number of delegates.

Oh, and delegates are equal to numbers of Senators and Representatives in Congress for each state.


The problem with this would be how to motivate enough of the state legislatures to submit an application to call for a constitutional convention, and then having the delegates actually address the REAL problems at hand and keeping their solutions on target (a constitutional convention need not even address the reasons for which it was called).

Hell, all but 13 of the states are bowing to federal pressure right now to enact the "Real ID" act, which is a horrendous violation of the 10th Amendment. The states have become as dependent on federal welfare as the people. It's thoroughly disgusting how much of their sovereignty the states have surrendered to the federal government. The 10th Amendment is all but meaningless these days.

And all of this is a result of the citizens willingly surrendering the personal liberties for the sake of financial "security" - which is a direct result of federal government interference in our "public" (read that government) schools.

Sadly, there is no quick fix to the predicament we find ourselves in now. Indeed, there may be no fix at all. Certainly history would be against a resurgent America. Our electorate has become too complacent, too dependent on government largess, too ignorant of the true roots of our founding and the very reason and thinking behind our founding documents and FAR too ignorant of the very basics that would make them capable of critical thinking.

Our only hope would be for a leader with enough charisma, force of personality, intelligence and political and media savvy (and who was a true classical liberal) to emerge and lead a popular movement that would sweep the country and bring along it his/her tow enough people to really force a fundamental change in how people perceive our current situation and the dangers it represents to the future of our republic.

It is not a hope that seems destined to be fulfilled.

Let's "hope" I'm wrong.

I do.
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#3787356 - 04/27/12 09:24 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: dblboggie]
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For those not familiar, there's the 10th Amendment;

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.




There's no way to misinterpret this amendment.
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#3787421 - 04/27/12 09:48 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: TexasBlue]
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Originally Posted By: TexasBlue
For those not familiar, there's the 10th Amendment;

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


There's no way to misinterpret this amendment.

Lol, so what? Any amendment means dick if it isn't enforceable.

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#3788507 - 04/28/12 04:01 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
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Our only hope would be for a leader with enough charisma, force of personality, intelligence and political and media savvy (and who was a true classical liberal) to emerge and lead a popular movement that would sweep the country and bring along it his/her tow enough people to really force a fundamental change in how people perceive our current situation and the dangers it represents to the future of our republic.

It is not a hope that seems destined to be fulfilled.

Let's "hope" I'm wrong.

I do.






See what I mean, Feral? I'm only surprised it took a week.

Calls for a return to the Articles of Confederation, people who insist that government is so corrupt it needs to be changed by letting them elect themselves, and now this.

I'm holding onto hope you are an agent provocateur and have a plan, rather than an arsonist who likes to watch things burn.
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#3788515 - 04/28/12 04:12 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: tgas2010]
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Originally Posted By: tgas2010
Originally Posted By: dblboggie
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Our only hope would be for a leader with enough charisma, force of personality, intelligence and political and media savvy (and who was a true classical liberal) to emerge and lead a popular movement that would sweep the country and bring along it his/her tow enough people to really force a fundamental change in how people perceive our current situation and the dangers it represents to the future of our republic.

It is not a hope that seems destined to be fulfilled.

Let's "hope" I'm wrong.

I do.






See what I mean, Feral? I'm only surprised it took a week.

Calls for a return to the Articles of Confederation, people who insist that government is so corrupt it needs to be changed by letting them elect themselves, and now this.

LOL.
Originally Posted By: tgas2010


I'm holding onto hope you are an agent provocateur and have a plan, rather than an arsonist who likes to watch things burn.

Haven't decided yet. Let it fail organically, push it over, pull it back...it all seems so interesting to me.

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#3788530 - 04/28/12 04:27 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: tgas2010]
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Originally Posted By: tgas2010
See what I mean, Feral? I'm only surprised it took a week.

Calls for a return to the Articles of Confederation, people who insist that government is so corrupt it needs to be changed by letting them elect themselves, and now this.

I'm holding onto hope you are an agent provocateur and have a plan, rather than an arsonist who likes to watch things burn.


Are you saying that gov't isn't corrupt? It has been for decades and it gets worse as each one passes.

I guess one is an extremist when they wish for the constitution to be followed as written.

And posting Hitler was low.
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#3789074 - 04/28/12 08:59 PM Re: Social Security Fund to Run Out in '35 [Re: tgas2010]
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Originally Posted By: tgas2010
Originally Posted By: dblboggie
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Our only hope would be for a leader with enough charisma, force of personality, intelligence and political and media savvy (and who was a true classical liberal) to emerge and lead a popular movement that would sweep the country and bring along it his/her tow enough people to really force a fundamental change in how people perceive our current situation and the dangers it represents to the future of our republic.

It is not a hope that seems destined to be fulfilled.

Let's "hope" I'm wrong.

I do.






See what I mean, Feral I'm only surprised it took a week.


Not only is this inference pure, unmitgated bullshit, and the work of leftist wishful thinking, it is a purposeful misinterpretation of not just what I said but also what I meant. Ronald Reagan was the kind of leader one might infer from my post, not Hitler.

So fuck you tgas, and the horse you rode in on.

This is the sort of ugly innuendo I'd expect from far-left lunatics with zero critical thinking skills, not from you.

Guess I know the kind of person I'm dealing with now.

Originally Posted By: tgas2010
Calls for a return to the Articles of Confederation


More bullshit! Please point out where I call for a return to the Articles of Confederation. I have consistently called for a return to Constitutional government, you know... the one that leftists and RINO's like ignore when it suits their agenda.

Originally Posted By: taga2010
people who insist that government is so corrupt it needs to be changed by letting them elect themselves, and now this.


More fiction from you, more putting words not uttered by me but put into my mouth by you.

You think you are clever, you are anything but.

And if you think goverenment has not become almost irredeemably corrupt, then you are also sadly deluded.

Originally Posted By: taga2010
I'm holding onto hope you are an agent provocateur and have a plan, rather than an arsonist who likes to watch things burn.


This is an ugly side of you that I have somehow missed.

Won't make that mistake again.
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