#3744477 - 04/02/1211:28 PMRe: Atheist Billboard in Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
Originally Posted By: Mark85la
Texasblue and dbl aren't religious either..
Ah, but dbl loves religion, and thinks that societies without god will destroy themselves, or something like that anyway.
I honestly couldn't say that dbl isn't intelligent, which I would think (and he's made statements to this effect) is why he's not religious. However, if you picture a spectrum of religiosity, he's the closest you can get to that section of the spectrum where people actually believe in a god, without actually falling within it.
Just out of curiosity, do you define 'religious' as the belief in God or Gods, etc., or as one that follows a particular religion? Following that, was your intention to imply that only people of lesser intelligence believe in a God or Gods, etc.?
Ah, but dbl loves religion, and thinks that societies without god will destroy themselves, or something like that anyway.
I honestly couldn't say that dbl isn't intelligent, which I would think (and he's made statements to this effect) is why he's not religious. However, if you picture a spectrum of religiosity, he's the closest you can get to that section of the spectrum where people actually believe in a god, without actually falling within it.
I admit I just responded to what is an intangible, but, in any case, your statement doesn't contradict JT's.
EDIT: or will cause mass-murder, or whatever it was.
Not really he has always stated he's agnostic but he acknowledged the positive contributions religion particularly christianity has had in western societies...that doesn't make make him a closet religious person but rather because he is well immersed in world history.
Something that you seem to lack when it comes to the history of atrocities committed under communist countries for example.
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Isn't the point about the Bible this: if it was a document inspired by the Christian God, wouldn't one expect it not to simply repeat what Jewish and other societies were currently saying about slavery, but would be ahead of its time and be condemning slavery? If God was able to explain to Moses how he could take the Jews back into Israel, was it not possible for him to say - 'Oh, and by the way, slaves? That's a no-no. Sorry, commercial problems and so on, but it's just wrong.' It would have made a perfectly acceptable 11th commandment: 'Thou shalt not own another person'.
Christians of course want it both ways. When the Bible accords with modern morals, it is praised but when it contradicts they want to be able to pick and choose which bits to hold onto - no homosexuals, as they believe - and which bits to dump - it's perfectly OK to own slaves.
What Christian countries treat their citizens well? And no, the US, Britain and the West don't count because they're not officially Christian.
Whether it qualifies as a Christian country by your standards I do not know, but Britain most certainly is 'officially Christian'. The Church is established, clerics sit in the House of Lords, the basic unit of government is the parish - of which the parish church hall is usually the meeting place, the head of State - the Queen, but beware of making the Palin error - is the head of the Church of England, etc. etc.
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Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
Not really
Not really.....what? None of the statements in your post (including the rest of the above sentence) contradict any of the statements in mine.
Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
he has always stated he's agnostic but he acknowledged the positive contributions religion particularly christianity has had in western societies...that doesn't make make him a closet religious person but rather because he is well immersed in world history.
I haven't heard of a strong correlation between those two things. Or that there was a necessary causality.
Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
Something that you seem to lack when it comes to the history of atrocities committed under communist countries for example.
The history of what under which countries?
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Originally Posted By: Feral
Just out of curiosity, do you define 'religious' as the belief in God or Gods, etc., or as one that follows a particular religion?
The first.
Originally Posted By: Feral
Following that, was your intention to imply that only people of lesser intelligence believe in a God or Gods, etc.?
No.
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Originally Posted By: Mark85la
So you're saying he's supposed to trash religion?
No.
Originally Posted By: Mark85la
I don't know what you're getting at..
Dblboggie likes to say that he's the furthest from being religious as you can possibly be.
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Originally Posted By: JT
And then we still have a huge population of people that swear by God, yet lock and load on weapons, and are forever mesmerized by a Republican state of mind despite how crappy their local situations are (even through Reagan and Bush's). Yee haw, the south with rise again!
Yeah, dbl said he was eating one meal a day at one point.
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"We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction."
Ah, but dbl loves religion, and thinks that societies without god will destroy themselves, or something like that anyway.
Not really he has always stated he's agnostic but he acknowledged the positive contributions religion particularly christianity has had in western societies...that doesn't make make him a closet religious person but rather because he is well immersed in world history.
However, he's also completely unable to admit that religion has easily had just as many NEGATIVE contributions, and has, no matter how inane the "religious side" has gotten, supported them. Even back in the EE_EE days.
It's on of the reasons I consider his period of "moderation" one of the worst and most abhorrent examples of a forum moderator I have EVER seen.
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