But lest not forget tgas..I have heard just as many liberal commentators say just as crassy and vile things as well.
He called her a whore to amuse millions of male listeners.
I'd say he's got a lot more to apologize for than crude language. The "but everybody does it" defense was repudiated by mothers long ago: "If <insert random childhood friend's name here> jumps of a bridge, are you going to do it too"
I just love the selective outrage of the left.
Bill Maher can call Palin a "dumb twat" and a "cunt," MSNBC's Ed Schultz can call Laura Ingram a "slut" and much more, and where is the outrage from the left here?
Hell, Maher recent contributed a million dollars to Obama's super-PAC, so maybe that'll buy him continued cover from the MSM.
But I do find it striking that Obama would go out of his way to call Fluke to offer support and succor (and thus throwing more fuel on the MSM's pyre) for Limbaugh's offensive remarks, but happily ignore Maher's remarks about Palin and make no objection to Maher's contribution to his campaign.
It's funny how the citation of the "everybody does it defense" only surfaces when a conservative has put his or her foot in their mouth as a means of distracting from the truly vile speech that emanates from the left.
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: tgas2010
Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
He should apoligize for his poor use of language.
But lest not forget tgas..I have heard just as many liberal commentators say just as crassy and vile things as well.
He called her a whore to amuse millions of male listeners.
I'd say he's got a lot more to apologize for than crude language. The "but everybody does it" defense was repudiated by mothers long ago: "If <insert random childhood friend's name here> jumps of a bridge, are you going to do it too"
I just love the selective outrage of the left.
Bill Maher can call Palin a "dumb twat" and a "cunt," MSNBC's Ed Schultz can call Laura Ingram a "slut" and much more, and where is the outrage from the left here?
Hell, Maher recent contributed a million dollars to Obama's super-PAC, so maybe that'll buy him continued cover from the MSM.
But I do find it striking that Obama would go out of his way to call Fluke to offer support and succor (and thus throwing more fuel on the MSM's pyre) for Limbaugh's offensive remarks, but happily ignore Maher's remarks about Palin and make no objection to Maher's contribution to his campaign.
It's funny how the citation of the "everybody does it defense" only surfaces when a conservative has put his or her foot in their mouth as a means of distracting from the truly vile speech that emanates from the left.
One assumes that you're talking about tgas and all the other people who you put under that label, and I can feel what you're saying, if that was your goal...
But how are you talking about anyone on here? My deepest apologies if you aren't, however. Perhaps I misinterpreted something.
Though offhand, if you're not talking about us......
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"We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction."
He called her a whore to amuse millions of male listeners.
I'd say he's got a lot more to apologize for than crude language. The "but everybody does it" defense was repudiated by mothers long ago: "If <insert random childhood friend's name here> jumps of a bridge, are you going to do it too"
I just love the selective outrage of the left.
Bill Maher can call Palin a "dumb twat" and a "cunt," MSNBC's Ed Schultz can call Laura Ingram a "slut" and much more, and where is the outrage from the left here
Hell, Maher recent contributed a million dollars to Obama's super-PAC, so maybe that'll buy him continued cover from the MSM.
But I do find it striking that Obama would go out of his way to call Fluke to offer support and succor (and thus throwing more fuel on the MSM's pyre) for Limbaugh's offensive remarks, but happily ignore Maher's remarks about Palin and make no objection to Maher's contribution to his campaign.
It's funny how the citation of the "everybody does it defense" only surfaces when a conservative has put his or her foot in their mouth as a means of distracting from the truly vile speech that emanates from the left.
One assumes that you're talking about tgas and all the other people who you put under that label, and I can feel what you're saying, if that was your goal...
But how are you talking about anyone on here My deepest apologies if you aren't, however. Perhaps I misinterpreted something.
Though offhand, if you're not talking about us......
Is it just impossible for you to address an issue directly?
Are you so afraid of showing your true colors that all you can do is misdirect and distract from the actual discussion at hand?
Are you saying that the leftist MSM and those leftist talking heads they love to give voice to are not guilty of selective outrage?
Could you perhaps, just once, actually respond directly to an issue being discussed?
Typical liberal knee-jerk reaction? Knock it off. I don't start posts by saying "typical conservative obtuseness."
Old, I didn't say you were one of those who used those terms or that theological chestnut. I did imply that judging by your post you don't understand why such names and claims are repugnant. If I am wrong in that respect, enlighten me.
What is this verbal political correctness that is being forced on you? Which rights of yours are being violated by allowing gays the right of assembly?
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[quote=tgas2010][quote=1oldminer] ...But because it is Sarah Palin that makes it okay to call her whatever derogatory name you can think of and even her family can also be attacked as well?...
Sarah said it's free speech; she's right. It's also despicable - which you pointed out - but she did not.
How easy and noble it would have been for Sarah to say, "it was wrong when people attacked me personally, and it's wrong in this case, too." I know you feel honor-bound to defend her, but I don't think Sarah Palin is worthy of you.
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Who the fuck died and made you the decider of what is and is not intolerant?
I think it is safe to say that most people have a good understanding of what is intolerance and what is not.
Originally Posted By: dblboggie
And just WHO would you put in charge to define what views can or can not be held or what religious views may or may not be expressed
Just that you say what you said above reveals you to be an extreme leftist.
You truly are dumb, I have never said that I was not a far-leftist, I have always been open about that fact. I believe I told you, specifically, that I was a far-leftist about two or free time.
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No wonder you have no fucking clue about the political spectrum. You're clearly just another of the kool-aide drinking leftist myrmidons who believe all things left to be intellectually superior and thus worthy of being FORCED, at gunpoint if need be, on everyone else.
Nah, I do not drink Kool-Aid, I am just a Marxist.
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Just reading shit like this makes my flesh crawl.
That is fair, I guess, because reading your denialism in regards to fascism makes mine crawl. It is very disrespectful to those who died in the Holocaust to ignore historical facts about the perpetrators.
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Then you are calling one of the most brilliant economic thinkers the world has produced an idiot, because F.A. Hayek made the point I am making here, but he made that point in a book (The Road To Serfdom) he wrote while WWII raged around him and he had witnessed first hand the rise of communism in Russia, of National Socialism in Germany and fascism in Italy and elsewhere.
I am opposed to Friedrich Hayek politically, so, yes, I'd call him out. However, though I am rusty when it comes to Hayek's 'The Road to Serfdom', I recall that he believed fascism and socialism to be rooted in the ideas of totalitarianism and central economic planning. I do not recall him stating that fascism was leftist, as you have done.
Hayek also acknowledged that socialism was geared towards creating equality, he disagreed with it because he believe that his ideas of democracy were a superior form of gaining equality, because he objected to coercion and brutality.
'The Road to Serfdom' is certainly not without its critics. Karl Polanyi, Barbara Wootton, Frank Knight and Jeffrey Sachs are all prominent critics, I believe.
I do not care if he saw the rise of communism, National Socialism (a sub-type of fascism) and fascism, that doesn't make them all leftist ideologies.
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And it was Hayek who pointed out that was absolutely no differences between these movements that mattered a whit when push came to shove as ALL relied on totalitarian rule and the people, not matter what position or class they held were all slaves to the desires of the state as dictated by a totalitarian ruler. All other differences between the 3 are entirely meaningless.
He never said fascism was liberalism or leftism, however. You use your own source badly.
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And ANY ideology that would endorse totalitarian rule cannot be placed on the same side of the political spectrum as classical liberalism.
''Classical liberalism'' is centrist (slightly right of dead centre), and fascism is far-right. Your denialism disgusts me.
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You imply that you have read conservative scholarly works which state fascism is a far right ideology. Pray tell, name these scholars and their works.
So I should keep checklists of all the bogus nonsense I come across? You fail to realize that I, like most scholars and laypersons, do not give any credence to your claims. They do not hold water at all. Anyway De Corte's 'Menace of Undesirables: The Eugenics Movement During the Progressive Era' comes to mind, as does a ridiculous web-article by Keith Preston and 'Revolutionary Fascism' by Erik Norling. It is not a mainstream view at all.
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I reject the gibberish you've written here. Clearly you are out of your depth.
I am sorry, you are just an idiot peddling tired nonsense.
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places socialism on the left
As I have stated. I am not sure if you actually read other people's post now.
It is specifically far-left.
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liberalism (classical) in the center
For your ''classical liberalism'', which is now pretty much conservatism today, see below. Modern liberalism is centre-left.
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conservatism on the right
Yes, centre-right. Fascism is far-right.
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But Hayek postulated the political spectrum was not at all linear.
I do not care about Hayek, I do not agree with him nor do I revere him. His views are not exactly the mainstream. Hayek could postulate anything, but it does not make it true.
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I believe this a much more accurate representation of reality
But not the mainstream one.
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The only denier I see here is you! Of course if you were as "learned" as you pretend to be on this topic, you would have known of his writtings on this very topic.
Why do you think disagreement means I do not know ''of the writings on this topic''?
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My position on fascism is merely an adoption of Hayek's own.
Why do you think I would revere Hayek a political god, when I do not agree with his ideology?
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Something I strenuously reject.
You may well reject but you are a denialism, and Hayek was almost and to say that he ''fought'' against fascism is stretching it. He criticized it in his works, he didn't exactly die fighting it like the soldiers of the Soviet Union. It is amusing that you seem to think that someone writing against fascism means that they do not have anything in common, despite the fact that the USSR Soviets, whom you claim are position at the same end of the spectrum, did actually fight battles against Nazism. Quite absurdly hypocritical.
Both fascism and Soviet communism were authoritarian, a fact, but they were not at the same end of the political spectrum. That is a fact.
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...You're clearly just another of the kool-aide drinking leftist myrmidons...
Wow, Angantyr...all I got to be was a 'fucking retarded indoctrinated' leftist.
Welcome to the club. We're thinking about getting tshirts.
Indeed, pass the Kool-Aide, comrade, and then we can go to our indoctrination centres and sing the praise to our glorious leftist leaders Mussolini, Hitler, Trujillo and Salazar.
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The fasces is a bundle of sticks from out of which an ax-blade protrudes. It was a symbol of power in ancient Rome. Like a sheriff's badge today. IIRC it was the lictors who carried the fasces.
This badge of power was adopted by the far-right ruling party in Italy during the 1920s, and accordingly they were called 'fascisti', the blokes with the fasces.
So pretty much, in political debate, 'fascist' means right-wing, associated with the sort of policies that were considered right and proper by Hitler and Mussolini.
Socially, however, the word 'fascist' has come to mean anyone who brooks no opposition. So one of the prefects when I was at school was called a 'right little fascist', though it was nothing to do with his political leanings.
But to refer to someone with generally left-wing leanings as 'a fascist' would generally be a bit foolish, as it will tend to confuse. Although someone in a left-wing candidate's election team might well refer to the candidate, in-house, as a 'bloody fascist' because of the way he treats his staff.
Indeed, well posted.
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