So it is still OK to kill children with bears? I don't think so somehow. If YHWH was a good god, he'd probably have taught them a lesson humanely and non-violently; but he isn't so...
They were not children angy..they knew the difference of right from wrong.They were juvenile deliquents.
There is much that I wlll admit to...that I don't understand about the ways of God but it is incredibly presumptous and arrogant on our part to be judging God from a extremely limited mortal perspective...when we ourselves are quite guilty at killing one another for the pettiest reasons.
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas
Many things have happened to me in my life though not showing there is a God may lead me to believe me there is. Especially during my childhood and a couple of car accidents.
In various incidents at beaches and back yard pools I nearly drowned and died six times. Once I was playing at someones place and opened up and played with live wires in a meterbox and didn't die.
And two car accidents. In one incident my car was a total write-off and I came away with barely a scratch and belt bruise and the other one my car was hit in a position that if it was hit only inches either away and I probably would have died.
Are these coincidences Or is something else going on here
Are they "temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect," you mean
Not that I don't thoroughly enjoy those movies, really.
Anyway, that's a no, then
If you just wanna discuss your personal issues, w/e, but I'm not really interested, frankly, in developing any kind of deep interpersonal connection with you.
I just don't see why we can't all get together and acknowledge that none of these thought processes are rational. I.e., the concept of a god is not capable (as far as I know) of being demonstrated. When people define god (usually in an insubstantial manner), they define it specifically as being able to explain most everything. But is something true just because someone says it is
(Though I'm just going off the most common version of the god concept I've heard)
Examples of apparently (correct me if I've misconstrued your thoughts here) irrational thought processes:
Thinking that there are strange godly beings because of some ordinary events in which there is a significant likelihood of death that were experienced
or.....thinking there must be an afterlife because you couldn't bear your mother having actually died
Trying not to be unnecessarily rude, but It would be nice if you or miner or someone would directly acknowledge that their beliefs flow from personal/emotional issues rather than rational thought process. (The assumption being that rationality is not equivalent to following your emotions).
If you just wanna say: I believe this, and these beliefs help me in my life, that's just fine, but are you just saying that, or are you actually talking about reality
(P.S. Not that I've provided you any motivation why you would admit that which I talked of above, but w/e, just saying)
*see bold red bit above*
Ah yes... there's that leftist tolerance for "diversity" rearing it's ugly head again.
Everything would be peaches and cream if only everyone agreed with leftists.
Why can't all those crazy people who believe in a god just admit that said belief is irrational?
You are quite the piece of work there sport!
And the most pathetic thing about this is that you see nothing wrong with that statement, and don't even realize how arrogant and insulting it is to a person of faith.
Now I see why you're avoiding the politics section. You can't pull the crap there that you pull in here and get away with it.
It's much easier to mock and insult the religious because there is no possible way to "prove" there is a god or gods. Easy pickings for people like you.
Asking for physical evidence that something exists is never redundant. Since you are unable to provide this. Then the logical conclusion is that you are deluded. I see no benefit in conversing with the deluded.
I wonder that myself nbl..who is actually the one deluding himself
For someone who simply refuses to accept the evidence I stated is to me is someone who is in denial.The truth is out there.
But moving on...
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As Fredrich Nietzche stated - “A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.”
Based on his own experience I hear.
Nietzche was a brilliant philsopher but he clearly was mentally unstable at times... particularly towards the end of his life.
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You may continue with your ranting and raving. I will be looking at beautiful women. I think my course of action is the saner and more satisfying one.
Fine by me...
But why do you bother to come these political/religion threads anyway
He doesn't much bother with politics anymore because he's not debating things that can't be proved there - so he bickers over the definitions of words and avoids responding to any substantive issues raised.
He'd rather busy himself here where he has easy pickings based on the fact god cannot be proved.
He says it's like banging his head against a wall here, but the fact is he enjoys tormenting the religious, like many leftists do.,,,,,,
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
He doesn't much bother with politics anymore because he's not debating things that can't be proved there - so he bickers over the definitions of words and avoids responding to any substantive issues raised.
He'd rather busy himself here where he has easy pickings based on the fact god cannot be proved.
He says it's like banging his head against a wall here, but the fact is he enjoys tormenting the religious, like many leftists do.,,,,,,
You can attempt to sort of pre-emptively shape the responses to your posts, but you realize that's not what he said.
As far as the tormenting bit, I don't know whether you'll interpret this based on who's saying it or what's being said, but is the pot calling the kettle black?
Assuming, that is, that what you have a problem with is the tormenting itself, not whose being tormented, and not the fact that someone is a 'leftist.'
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"We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction."
[quote=dblboggie]He doesn't much bother with politics anymore because he's not debating things that can't be proved there - so he bickers over the definitions of words and avoids responding to any substantive issues raised.
He'd rather busy himself here where he has easy pickings based on the fact god cannot be proved.
He says it's like banging his head against a wall here, but the fact is he enjoys tormenting the religious, like many leftists do.,,,,,,
You have a serious problem with clarity, just so you know.
Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
You can attempt to sort of pre-emptively shape the responses to your posts, but you realize that's not what he said.
What WHO said? Would you mind identifying who you're referencing, and what copy?
Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
As far as the tormenting bit, I don't know whether you'll interpret this based on who's saying it or what's being said, but is the pot calling the kettle black
Do you practice being indirect?
But to answer your question, yes I enjoy tormenting self-righteous leftists who believe that everyone on the right is wrong and should be silenced and just go along with their leftist agenda.
But to enter a religious forum for the sole purpose of mocking, belittling and insulting people of faith, knowing full well that no religion can scientifically prove the truth of their beliefs is, in my opinion, boorish and uncivilized behavior.
I expect that sort of thing in politics, that is the nature of the beast.
But the behavior of atheists and leftists in this section is just shameful and honestly, often times juvenile.
Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
Assuming, that is, that what you have a problem with is the tormenting itself, not whose being tormented, and not the fact that someone is a 'leftist.'
I have a problem with who is being tormented, and more specifically WHY they are being tormented - simply because they are people of faith following the tenents of their various religions.
I find some of the dialogue in this section repulsive, and I am about as FAR from a religious person as one can get... only modesty prevents me from self-identifying as an atheist - I don't believe there is a single human knowledgable enough to declare with an absolute certainty that there is no possibility of an intellegence (for lack of a better word) that exists outside our known universe.
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Well religion and conservatism go hand in hand. And so your post boils down into (after quite a bit of heat applied): Tormenting my side (the right-wingers, the religious) is wrong, and tormenting the other side (the left-wingers, the atheists) is right.
Little bit too partisan. Just saying.
And as far as "What WHO said? Would you mind identifying who you're referencing, and what copy,"
you may ignore the part of my comment you reference, it's unimportant.
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"We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction."
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
I find some of the dialogue in this section repulsive, and I am about as FAR from a religious person as one can get... only modesty prevents me from self-identifying as an atheist - I don't believe there is a single human knowledgable enough to declare with an absolute certainty that there is no possibility of an intellegence (for lack of a better word) that exists outside our known universe.
And as far as your distance from religion, let me just note that it is a common pattern among the religious to tell me what I believe, as opposed to listening to me tell them what I believe, when I say I'm an atheist. (sometimes miner does this to ppl on a daily basis)
What I mean is, if you're talking about me here, you're putting words in my mouth.
And so I hope you're not talking about me. Or.....actually (unless I've forgotten something) anyone else on this forum.
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"We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction."
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And lastly, I'll just acknowledge all of the various stereotyping and insults in your latest posts, dbl, and just note that such is irrelevant in reasoned discussion.
And also that when you accuse me (I would think) of the same, that it has been a long time since I've done that.
I vaguely recall cussing miner out most terribly on the forums about a year ago though.
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An Eagle was soaring through the air when suddenly it heard the whizz of an Arrow, and felt itself wounded to death. Slowly it fluttered down to the earth, with its life-blood pouring out of it. Looking down upon the Arrow with which it had been pierced, it found that the shaft of the Arrow had been feathered with one of its own plumes. "Alas!" it cried, as it died,
"We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction."
I'm still dying to know why you have such an obsession with the "rights of the retarded." It's funny, but when I read that aloud, I can't help but chuckle.
I have a lingering suspicion as to why you're so obsessed with people making remarks about the mentally challenged, but I'll keep it to myself. It's pretty insulting, even for me.
Do you think it's quite alright to make fun of the mentally challenged or people with a physical handicap? Well answer this Lu why do you think I'm so obsessed with it?
Go ahead lay your cards all out lu...I can take it and I'll even give you a response.
Because once upon a time I thought pretty much like you that making fun of mentally and physically challenged was an easy way of getting cheap laughs. And when people are laughing with you instead at you..it was so easy to want to join in.And looking back at some of thing I did..I was the who was incredibly stupid.
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Anyway, the question asked, miner, is still that, how in the world does mocking someone, even if you do it cruelly, make you deserving of death? Of being eaten alive, moreover?
EDIT: Of course, if you were saying that the bald man (w/e) just knew these, ah, teenagers were pure evil, by his 'prophet's powers', then I suppose that killing evil devil children ( ) is justified in Christianity.
EDIT_PARA2: But like I said to you before, it mattered not to the issue, in and of itself, how well your belief system is constructed. And similarly, it matters little, in and of itself, to the issue I mentioned whether you can interpret the text to make what it describes justified.
EDIT_PARA3: And further, if I might go off on a tangent, I don't think there is pure evil, as in the not-even-human-just-pure-malevolence kind of evil, in teenagers or otherwise.
I don't know the mind of God nor do I even attempt to try to..as a human with an extremely limited view of the whole cosmic picture..makes realize that we cannot make presumptous judgement on one who has created it all...even if by our standards what he seems to do is by our standards....seems cruel and unfair to us.
Unless you are able to comprehend the entire universe...in all it entirity includin time/space
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas
So it is still OK to kill children with bears? I don't think so somehow. If YHWH was a good god, he'd probably have taught them a lesson humanely and non-violently; but he isn't so...
They were not children angy..they knew the difference of right from wrong.They were juvenile deliquents.
They were ''naughty children'', then.
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There is much that I wlll admit to...that I don't understand about the ways of God but it is incredibly presumptous and arrogant on our part to be judging God from a extremely limited mortal perspective...when we ourselves are quite guilty at killing one another for the pettiest reasons.
I hate to say this...but...you do not understand his ways because he is evil and you are not. I wish you'd realize this, 1Oldminer.
I have never killed people for petty reasons, either. It is naive to lump all humans together when we are all different in many ways. YHWH on the other hand is one being that has, according to scriptures, committed the vilest acts of genocide and cruelty imaginable. I think it is quite valid to call a spade a ''spade'' and evil ''evil''. If he brutally tortures or kills other beings when he is supposedly ''all powerful'', he is evil. There should be no question about it.
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) is justified in Christianity.
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