I am inclined to agree that fundamentalist Christianity is as anxious to have the world live by their standards as are the Isalamic fundamentalists. Both are not only convinced that they have God on their side in battle - be it literal or figurative - but that they have a responsibility to impose their particular beliefs upon everyone else.

For all the good things that Christians and Muslims have done in history, this is an ugly time time for so many in both groups. Maybe those who think our religions are no longer worthy of us as human beings have something. It would be ironic if the principles of evolution so roundly derided in conservative religious circles turned out to be the very thing that will ultimately save religious philosophy by forcing it to adapt to meet our needs as a modern society.

Very well said, tgas2010.

That may be so tgas but the extreme side of islam far outnumber those on the christianity side. Even Bill Maher who is well known to be a very anti-religion crusader concedes that the christian radical extremists are thankfully few and far between and thus much easier to deal with than the Islamic extremism that western society as well within the muslim world has to deal with.

That said, it is because of the fanactical elements of religion and the horrific deeds done by these fringe groups has painted ALL religions in a negative light.And this backlash has led people away from thier faith and turning thier back on God. Even now there is an aggressive campaign by the new atheist mouvement led by the likes of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and the late Christopher Hitchens against not only all organized religions but a campaign against God Himself. And this new atheist movement I fear will eventually lead our society down a far more dangerous and destructive path



Indeed it is a very difficult time for any religion faith and perhaps the blame can be placed on those religious leaders who have failed in thier duty to get the message across..to preach the gospel in a positive way to the people. I also believe the media as a whole has done much damage in showing religious faith overall as mostly silly or delusional on the beliver's part.

In other words God is seen as anything from amusingly silly or uncool...or by a few here as an egotisical genocidial maniac...anything but who he truly is.

A being of infinite love.

*snort* and your proof of this is? That's right...nothing but wishful thinking and the writings of men who wanted to control people.

And the 4 Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John testify of Jesus who is is the very personification of God's love for the world..so much so that he sent his Only Begotten Son to save a dying world from sin.

And these were personal, contempory witnesses of the Christ himself..and they saw with thier own eyes the miracles Jesus had wrought how so many lives... were touched and changed for the better because of that man from Nazereth.

Furthermore they were killed for thier beliefs and they sealed thier testimony with thier blood.

Does that sound like the Apostles as well as the prophets of earlier times who foretold the coming of Christ... would have an ulterior motive for personal gain by making up such a fantastic story only to end up being killed for it?

If they knew it was nothing but a conjured up story...why would they even be willing to suffer much difficulty and sacrifice, be imprisoned, tortured and finally be put to death all save one who was exiled...and die for thier beliefs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible#Mark

Try again. Most of what you're referring to was written decades after Christ supposedly existed (while there was likely someone named Jesus during that time, he most certainly was not capable of the feats ascribed to him)

Legends, myth and delusion.

Right...and whose to say you or I ever existed 2000 years from now especially with no records whatsoever available to trace our alleged existence?..there is no record of your distant ancestor or mine that managed to survive the black plague for example that ravaged most of Europe killing more than 1/4 of the population and yet they surely existed because you and I would not be here debating this matter had they not existed..and yet there is no surviving physical evidence of our direct ancestors who endured the Black Plague.

And can you prove the Apostles and the prophets never existed nbl based soley on the absence of evidence? That proves nothing of course because very few records from papyrus survive that long.

To prove it at all beyond all doubt you would have to be a contempory eyewitness to refute the claims of the thousands of eyewitnesses aside from the Apostles themselves who also testified and bear witness firsthand the miracles of the Savior and heard from thier own ears...his teachings.

Still failing to grasp burden of proof for fantastical claims, I see.

The burden of proof goes both ways Foob.

If atheists expect the believers to prove there is a creator then atheists must prove thier claim that there is no God.

But when confronted with such a challange they state they don't need to prove it..the truth is..they can't...because they have....NO PROOF OF EVIDENCE to back up thier claims.

I have shown examples that support evidence for an intelligent designed cosmos..al things that exists seen and unseen...including the planet we are on including ourselves...evidence and logical reasoning...which convinces me beyond any doubt there is indeed a creator what more proof could you want?

However...be as it may I cannot convince you certainly not our dear old friend nblsavage if your (specially his and his heart as well) minds is already closed on the matter.

We are going have to agree to disagree.

Logic escapes you doesn't it? Not surprising.