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#3680665 - 02/17/12 05:41 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: Corn Ball]
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Originally Posted By: Corn Ball
Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
I accept the Bible as the standard of holy scripture...



What does that mean exactly? If you believe that the Bible is "the standard of holy scripture", then you should heed what it says in Revelation 22 and not add to it or take away from it and also Galatians 1:6-9 which says not to preach any gospel other than what the Apostle Paul preached.



The Book Of Mormon contains many plain and precious truths which through the prophet Joseph Smith..God has restored to the earth..for the last dispensation... holy scripture which had been lost through ..such of the nature of God the Father and the interpretation of the Holy Trinity ....men who errornously sought to interprept the original teachings of the old prophets and Jesus himself since almost immediately the Apostles were killed and the priesthood was taken from the earth..and when the Great Apostasy commenced upon the whole earth.
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#3680668 - 02/17/12 05:42 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: gumby666]
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Originally Posted By: gumby666
you say he "lets" you make your own decisions.. but he already knows the decisions you will face and the choices you will make

there is no free will if your every action is known before you take it



No, He knows the choices we will make but the choices we make are of our own free will.
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#3680670 - 02/17/12 05:42 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: gumby666]
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if this isn't proof to you that in your religion you have no free will and god does whatever he wants with whoever he wants.. then I dont know what is


Romans 9:10-19
King James Version (KJV)
10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
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#3680673 - 02/17/12 05:43 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: gumby666]
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2 Timothy 1:9
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9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
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#3680674 - 02/17/12 05:45 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: gumby666]
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2 Thessalonians 2:13
King James Version (KJV)
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
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#3680675 - 02/17/12 05:46 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: gumby666]
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Originally Posted By: gumby666
Jeez.. I mean I guess one has to have a certain measure of self imposed ignorance to buy into the whole magic underwear cult..

but to flat out ignore "GOD hardened his heart" even though it's been pointed out many times.. is just plain dopey


Magic underwear indeed... giggle

Very well gumby...if that is you think it is..then who am I tell you otherwise? shrug wave
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#3680678 - 02/17/12 05:47 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: gumby666]
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Revelation 13:8
King James Version (KJV)
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


in your religion.. your god decided who would and would not be "saved" from the "foundation of the world"

zero free will
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"Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior??"
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#3680679 - 02/17/12 05:47 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: 1oldminer]
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Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
The Book Of Mormon contains many plain and precious truths which through the prophet Joseph Smith..God has restored to the earth..for the last dispensation... holy scripture which had been lost through ..such of the nature of God the Father and the interpretation of the Holy Trinity ....men who errornously sought to interprept the original teachings of the old prophets and Jesus himself since almost immediately the Apostles were killed and the priesthood was taken from the earth..and when the Great Apostasy commenced upon the whole earth.



So did the Apostle Paul say this or not?

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
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I believe that if you wheel in an oxygen canister and a hydrogen canister and open the valves and then sprinkle some carbon around and a little bit of this and a little bit of that and put a little moisture in the air and add a sun lamp, then when you come back in 5 billion years the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms will have assembled themselves into human beings.

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#3680681 - 02/17/12 05:51 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: 1oldminer]
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Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
Originally Posted By: gumby666
Jeez.. I mean I guess one has to have a certain measure of self imposed ignorance to buy into the whole magic underwear cult..

but to flat out ignore "GOD hardened his heart" even though it's been pointed out many times.. is just plain dopey


Magic underwear indeed... giggle

Very well gumby...if that is you think it is..then who am I tell you otherwise? shrug wave


Look.. I don't think that heh.. I'm not making things up.. I'm just using the most basic reading comprehension

GOD HARDENED HIS HEART
even more basic
GOD HARDENED HEART
noun verb noun

what was hardened? HEART
who hardened it? GOD

*SHRUG*
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"Yes.. Men like sports.. Men watch the action movie.. they eat of the beef and enjoy to look at the busoms." - Xander Harris

"Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior??"
"Ya know.. I meant to but then I got really busy"

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#3680685 - 02/17/12 05:53 PM Re: To understand the things of God you need the Spirit of God and that requires some faith [Re: gumby666]
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the Bible consistently tells you that it is not by your WORKS that you are saved but by his GRACE

you don't get to go to heaven unless HE/SHE decides you do
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"Yes.. Men like sports.. Men watch the action movie.. they eat of the beef and enjoy to look at the busoms." - Xander Harris

"Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior??"
"Ya know.. I meant to but then I got really busy"

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