Prime Minister Cameron has declared that "Britain is a Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so", in a speech to mark the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible.
Cameron told Church of England clergy gathered in Oxford that a return to Christian values could counter the country's "moral collapse" and blamed a "passive tolerance" of immoral behaviour for this summer's riots, Islamic extremism, City excess and Westminster scandals.
His words will delight traditionalists in his party and Christian groups that claim believers are increasingly marginalised .
Cameron said there were three reasons why the King James Bible was as relevant today as any point in its history.
"First, the King James Bible has bequeathed a body of language that permeates every aspect of our culture and heritage. Second, just as our language and culture is steeped in the Bible, so too is our politics.
"Third, we are a Christian country...."
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From there he gets wishy-washy. You can read more at:
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I believe that if you wheel in an oxygen canister and a hydrogen canister and open the valves and then sprinkle some carbon around and a little bit of this and a little bit of that and put a little moisture in the air and add a sun lamp, then when you come back in 5 billion years the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms will have assembled themselves into human beings.
John 14:6 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Acts 4:10-12
10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is
“‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
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John 8:24 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
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John 10:1-9
The Good Shepherd and His Sheep
1 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
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I believe that if you wheel in an oxygen canister and a hydrogen canister and open the valves and then sprinkle some carbon around and a little bit of this and a little bit of that and put a little moisture in the air and add a sun lamp, then when you come back in 5 billion years the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms will have assembled themselves into human beings.
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
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I believe that if you wheel in an oxygen canister and a hydrogen canister and open the valves and then sprinkle some carbon around and a little bit of this and a little bit of that and put a little moisture in the air and add a sun lamp, then when you come back in 5 billion years the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms will have assembled themselves into human beings.
#3676585 - 02/14/1210:30 PMRe: Prime Minister Cameron calls for return to Christian values as King James Bible turns 400
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So god’s job description includes giving us our daily bread, forgiving our trespasses, leading us not into temptation, and delivering us from evil. If I had his success rate at my job, they’d fire my sorry ass.
So god’s job description includes giving us our daily bread, forgiving our trespasses, leading us not into temptation, and delivering us from evil. If I had his success rate at my job, they’d fire my sorry ass.
Can you create a universe? Populate a planet (among untold number of worlds out there yet to be discovered?)with people on it then give them the freedom to choose for themselves how to manage the planet and their own affairs?
If you can meet those qualifications then by all means then apply for the job of universal creator.
Who has messed up on thier own violation Jack?
You tell me.
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas
People! People! Focus! We're trying to get Corn Ball (EE_EE) to stick his racist foot far enough into his own mouth to get re-banned. Why we have to do that, who knows. But in the meantime, eyes on the prize!
People! People! Focus! We're trying to get Corn Ball (EE_EE) to stick his racist foot far enough into his own mouth to get re-banned. Why we have to do that, who knows. But in the meantime, eyes on the prize!
Then PM a mod Foob instead trying to be the comedian...
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas
And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. [Matthew 6:5]
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And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. [Matthew 6:5]
Exactly.Jesus meant for us to pray to the Father in secret to establish personal one to one personal relationship with the Father. He also taught us to fast whenever possible but not to fast so that others see that that you are fasting.
He also taught not to use redundant words when praying for real prayers with real intent must come with a sincere and contrite heart.
Edited by 1oldminer (02/15/1212:16 AM)
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas
So God’s job description includes giving us our daily bread, forgiving our trespasses, leading us not into temptation, and delivering us from evil. If I had his success rate at my job, they’d fire my sorry ass.
If everyone sincerely prayed that prayer, the world would be a great place but instead most people have the qualities described below.
Romans 1:18 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Romans 1:30 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
2 Timothy 3:3 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good
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I believe that if you wheel in an oxygen canister and a hydrogen canister and open the valves and then sprinkle some carbon around and a little bit of this and a little bit of that and put a little moisture in the air and add a sun lamp, then when you come back in 5 billion years the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms will have assembled themselves into human beings.
One man’s "magic" is another man’s engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. --Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love
Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. --Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love
I’ve never understood how God could expect His creatures to pick the one true religion by faith—it strikes me as a sloppy way to run a universe. --Jubal Harshaw, Stranger in a Strange Land
History does not record anywhere a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. --Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love
Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love
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I believe that if you wheel in an oxygen canister and a hydrogen canister and open the valves and then sprinkle some carbon around and a little bit of this and a little bit of that and put a little moisture in the air and add a sun lamp, then when you come back in 5 billion years the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms will have assembled themselves into human beings.
Can you be explain why you feel that way? You don't like what I have to say and so therefore I must be crazy?
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I believe that if you wheel in an oxygen canister and a hydrogen canister and open the valves and then sprinkle some carbon around and a little bit of this and a little bit of that and put a little moisture in the air and add a sun lamp, then when you come back in 5 billion years the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms will have assembled themselves into human beings.
#3832584 - 05/24/1205:00 AMRe: Prime Minister Cameron calls for return to Christian values as King James Bible turns 400
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dblboggie,what makes him evil is that he punishes the young, old, poor, sick and vunerable people for the mess caused by his so called 'upper class' mates while rewarding the fat cats for screwing the country. His handling of the economy is frankly misguided, arrogant and plainly not working as double dip recession shows! As for belonging to 'the wrong party', that is your assumption, not mine! Independant enough for you brainfade?
#3835594 - 05/26/1205:19 AMRe: Prime Minister Cameron calls for return to Christian values as King James Bible turns 400
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Remember education, health care, child care, legal aid, advice centres, youth clubs, pensions, mental health care, retirement homes etc etc? maybe you dont as you seem to be very blinkered to current affairs in the UK. And yes, "entitlements" do play a large part in this, people work all their life and pay into pension funds in the hope of having a reasonable standard of living in their old age. You may be someone who would prefer to have our senior citizens "put out of their misery" after the country has had its pound of flesh, fortunately there are still some of us that value the aged among us! Then there is the cancer, MS etc sufferers that are having benefits removed, at the same time as Cameron hands out tax cuts to the rich. This whole mess we are in was caused by bankers and the like being greedy and incompetent and the poor, as usual have to pay for it. Bankers who lost us billions are still getting obscene bonuses as a reward for bad performance whereas honest , hard working people get pay reductions or worse, sacked, then are faced with having to claim benefits to survive!!!!! You dbloggie seem to be of the Cameronite school of out of touch, uncaring deluded mindset. May i suggest that you do a little more research on current affairs before posting anymore of your uninformed replys eh!!!!
Silky...you might want to look into the recent student unrest over tuition hikes in Quebec which has one of the lowest tuition rates in the western world. It is an excellent example of a generation raised up expecting self-entitilement and its reprecussion on the rest of the province...this is basically same thing that is happening pretty much over most of Europe...and what is going to lead it to economic ruin if they continue the path of expecting a cradle to grave nanny state.
#3836913 - 05/27/1205:38 AMRe: Prime Minister Cameron calls for return to Christian values as King James Bible turns 400
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1oldminer-true christian compassion, would expect no less than this from you! The "nanny state" as you call it, is just slightly different to how you see it. Do you suppose that the Welfare State is personally funded by Government politicians?????? Well it sure is not, citizens of MY country pay for this out of various contributions which are many! It was set up as a sort of fund to ensure that nobody starves, available to all in need. Well belive me, there is a very real need now, people ARE starving here, having lost jobs which then leads to homelessness, due to there being NO jobs. This safety net (that WE pay for) is being pulled out from under us, the poorest in our nation are suffering while the richest 2% just get richer!!!! One idiotic selfish billionaire actually said on tv, that he hopes the reccession continues, as he was making a fortune! I can't speak for Canada, and plainly, you can't speak for UK. From what I read into your contribution, your opinion is 'sod them, let them suffer' As opposed to your own religious claims of compassion and love for fellow humans, just a shame that your kind do not practice what you preach eh!! Maybe the 'good samaritan' should have been punished for his deed as an example to others who may want to show some empathy and help those unable to help themselves. Think you need to do some soul searching eh my dear 1oldminer?
1oldminer-true christian compassion, would expect no less than this from you! The "nanny state" as you call it, is just slightly different to how you see it. Do you suppose that the Welfare State is personally funded by Government politicians?????? Well it sure is not, citizens of MY country pay for this out of various contributions which are many! It was set up as a sort of fund to ensure that nobody starves, available to all in need.
Well that's just it..government money comes from taxpayers that's you and me who ultimately foot the bill to support a nanny state..free education, free dental care free medical care etc, etc etc it looks really good on paper to make sure everyone is taken care of from the day they are born to the day they die...but nothing in life is free and with the decreasing birthrate in your country as mine along with the developed particularly in the west..somebody has to pay for the freebies...eventually there will not be enough people from a taxpaying base to support an ever increasingly aging poulation..already people are forgoing to retire at 65 as governments pass laws to raise the retirement age to 67 and that will undoubtly be raised to 70, 80 in the coming generation.
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Well belive me, there is a very real need now, people ARE starving here, having lost jobs which then leads to homelessness, due to there being NO jobs.
I see the homeless everyday and believe me some have ended on the streets due to circumstances beyond thier control..some are simply not capable of holding down a job... but I also see many..who are able-bodied and fully capable of working and choose not to work in a job that isn't exactly to thier liking.
Moreover you cannot compare conditions in the poorest parts of many british, canadian, and western countries with large centers of populations to the absolute horrific conditions faced by millions in third world who are truly facing famine and starvation on a national scale... countries such Somalia, Ethopia where there is virtually no infrastructure to speak of, or dealing with absolute corrupt despots, tyrants and warlords who blocks any attempts to get food and medicine to most needy..and confiscate to themselves.
While it is obvously not the ideal life they lead..the homeless here still have avenues to go... such as soup kitchens, shelters and clinics to take care of thier basic needs..most people in the poorest countries don't even have basic necessities of life.
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This safety net (that WE pay for) is being pulled out from under us, the poorest in our nation are suffering while the richest 2% just get richer!!!! One idiotic selfish billionaire actually said on tv, that he hopes the reccession continues, as he was making a fortune! I can't speak for Canada, and plainly, you can't speak for UK. From what I read into your contribution, your opinion is 'sod them, let them suffer'
I can't speak for the UK but why persecute the rich in a vain attempt to level the playing field? That socialist mindset under communism didn't work out too well for neither end of the economic rung.
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As opposed to your own religious claims of compassion and love for fellow humans, just a shame that your kind do not practice what you preach eh!! Maybe the 'good samaritan' should have been punished for his deed as an example to others who may want to show some empathy and help those unable to help themselves. Think you need to do some soul searching eh my dear 1oldminer?
There is saying give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day but teach that man how to fish and he'll feed himself for life.
Many relief organizations under the direction of differing religious sects are dedicated to succor, the hungry and the destitute..the Gospel also teaches about provident living, self reliance and living within your means.
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas