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#3641083 - 01/22/12 10:02 AM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: lu61f3r]
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Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
If both of you are here, being both conservatives, rushing to the defense of the Koch brothers, directly or indirectly, your priorities are both severely misplaced.


Good God. You're so full of it. Again, look at the top donors here! Who did they give to????????????????



15 of the 20 gave exclusively to the DNC!!
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#3641223 - 01/22/12 01:07 PM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: TexasBlue]
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I forgot to notate.......

12 of these 20 are unions and are circled in red.






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#3641453 - 01/22/12 04:41 PM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: Fulham]
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Originally Posted By: Fulham
Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
In any case, if you'd like to offer up a union which uses it's funds and tries to manipulate politics to the extent that the Koch brothers have, you may feel free to do so.


Ever heard of SEIU? AFSCME? AFL-CIO?

Of course you haven't, you lean left.

And your response to this post will be a question of a question that intends to make me look intellectually inferior and completely avoids acknowledging that the unions listed donate massively and have even had a hand in crafting the agenda of Obama's administration (Stimulus, Health Care bills).

And don't ask me to do your research for you, it's out there, many places. But will you bother to even look for it since it clashes with what you've chosen to believe?


I sort've meant, show me an individual ( or a pair, perhaps ), that uses their funds and tries to manipulate politics to the extent that the Koch brothers have.

The article is, more or less, talking about the dangers of too much power being concentrated in the hands of one man (or some brothers who work closely together).

EDIT: It wasn't about how much money Republicans get, that's to say.


Edited by lu61f3r (01/22/12 05:40 PM)
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#3641458 - 01/22/12 04:47 PM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: TexasBlue]
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Originally Posted By: TexasBlue
Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
If both of you are here, being both conservatives, rushing to the defense of the Koch brothers, directly or indirectly, your priorities are both severely misplaced.


Good God. You're so full of it. Again, look at the top donors here! Who did they give to????????????????


You did post first, more or less completely ignore the article itself, stayed the longest in the thread and made the most posts; And this being with the Koch Brothers who are libertarians, as you like to pretend defines you completely.
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#3641461 - 01/22/12 04:52 PM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: lu61f3r]
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Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
You did post first, more or less completely ignore the article itself, stayed the longest in the thread and made the most posts; And this being with the Koch Brothers who are libertarians, as you like to pretend defines you completely.


Back tracking, are ya? An individual (or individuals in this case) are your talking points. You got plonked in this thread when the massive amounts of money that unions donate almost exclusively to Democrats was brought to light.

Either you want all of it gone from politics (corporations & unions) or you don't. The difference between me and you is that I don't bitch about union dollars funneling to Democrats. If I did, that would make me a hypocrite on corporate donations.

Maybe we should exclude political donations from individuals, too? kookoo
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#3641880 - 01/22/12 10:49 PM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: TexasBlue]
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I find it interesting that a self-confessed socialist - the author of this article Bernie Sanders - is being cited as an authority on who is corrupting whom.

But leaving that aside, let's look at this article. First of all, there is NOT ONE CONCRETE FACT presented in this article proving that the Koch brothers or anyone else have done anything to unduly influence politics. There is a CLAIM by Sanders that the recent Supreme Court decision "has led to PLANS [emphasis mine], for example, by industrialist brothers David and Charles Koch to steer $200m, potentially much more, to conservative groups ahead of election day 2012."

Oh MY!!! Someone is allegedly planning something!!! Quick, call the police!!!

And not to put too fine a point on it, not only is this something THAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED, but we are expected to take his word on this WITHOUT A SINGLE CORROBORATING FACT!!!

What is wrong with you people on the left??? Do you just blindly believe everything you read as long as it's written by a leftist???

We have a hard-left socialist POLITICIAN (we know politicians never lie) who writes a rambling article that is nothing but opinion, conjecture and unsubstantiated claims and who only finds space to demonize 2 supporters of "conservative" causes! What a shock!

You have BILLIONAIRE liberals like George Soros (a convicted felon by the way) who has spent 100's of millions actively advancing lefitist causes, creating and supporting leftist organizations and funding leftist political campaigns for YEARS and nary a peep from Sanders or any other leftists for that matter.

And Soros is hardly alone, there's Bill Gates, Steve Jobs (before he died), Warren Buffet, Ted Turner, John Sperling (University of Phoenix), Peter Lewis (Progressive Insurance), Herb and Marion Sandler (billionaire profiteers from the savings and loan crisis, for those here old enough to remember that), John Doerr (billionaire venture capitalist with massive investments in "green" energy - I wonder if Solyndra or any of 12 other similar "green" energy companies getting money from the Fed were among his investments), Julian Robertson (Tiger Management - hedge funds), Nicolas Berggruen (investments), Donald Sussman (Paloma Partners), Rachel Hunter (Hyatt Hotels heir) among many others, who have spent BILLIONS to support lefist causes, influence politics on the Hill and elsewhere and to elect leftist politicians.

And I haven't even touched on the many well-funded hard-left foundations (Ford, Carnegie, etc. etc.) which also attempt to influence politics and elections. And as Tex has already pointed out, nearly ALL unions march in lock-step with the left and are amply rewarded by their Democrat cronies on the Hill and elswhere for their unswerving dedication to leftist aims and those who forward them.

And this hard-left socialist can only point to 2 LIBERTARIANS as examples of the evils of corporate influence in politics. What a load of CRAP!!!

Could your own bias be any more obvious lu61f3r?

No wonder all you can do is nitpick and harp on the most trivial and inconsequential aspects of my posts.

I don't believe you are concerned about crony capitalism or corruption in government. I have advanced a clear solution to end crony capitalism on one front, via our tax code, and all you have done is quibble over the definition of the word "fair" for days, while completely ignoring the substantive points in my posts.

You are a fraud. You pretend to be an objective observer, but you are anything but that.

Why do you attempt to hide your true political leanings, are you ashamed of them?
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#3665425 - 02/08/12 02:23 AM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: TexasBlue]
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The reason I don't think corporations should be allowed to make political donations without limit is because I don't believe business success should translate into political will. I don't believe that when a corporation sells a vast amount of product, that this should give the CEO (or whoever controls the corporation's accounts) vast political will.

I believe in Democracy.
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#3665458 - 02/08/12 02:56 AM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: lu61f3r]
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Not directly related to the topic, but in the vicinity...

Quote:
Obama Changes Mind, Embraces Super Pac


President Barack Obama's campaign is asking top fundraisers to support a Democratic-leaning outside group that is backing the president's re-election bid, reversing Obama's opposition to "super" political action committees, which can spend unlimited amounts of cash to influence elections.

Obama's campaign urged wealthy fundraisers in a Monday night conference call to support Priorities USA, a super PAC led by two former Obama aides that has struggled to compete with the tens of millions of dollars collected by Republican-backed outside groups.

Obama has opposed the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision that stripped away some limits on campaign contributions. The new super PACs can't coordinate directly with campaigns, but many have played a major role in the Republican primary contests, raising millions of dollars to use in negative advertising in early contests such as Iowa, South Carolina and Florida.

Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in an email to supporters Monday that the president's campaign "can't allow for two sets of rules" in which the Republican presidential nominee benefits from "unlimited spending and Democrats unilaterally disarm."

"We decided to do this because we can't afford for the work you're doing in your communities, and the grassroots donations you give to support it, to be destroyed by hundreds of millions of dollars in negative ads," Messina said.

Messina said senior campaign officials, along with some White House officials and Cabinet members, would attend and speak at fundraising events for Priorities USA but would not directly ask for money. He said Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and first lady Michelle Obama would not be part of the effort and would remain focused on Obama's campaign.

The decision to promote the outside Democratic group came after new fundraising reports revealed a large disparity against Republican super PACs. American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS, two groups tied to Republican strategist Karl Rove, raised $51 million last year while major Democratic groups, including Priorities USA Action, collected $19 million last year.

Republicans criticized the Obama campaign's embrace of the outside groups, calling it a hypocritical shift by Obama after he chided the influence of secret, special-interest money. Obama has previously referred to the money as a "threat to our democracy."

"This is a brazenly cynical move by Barack Obama and his political handlers, who just a year ago had the chutzpah to call outside groups a threat to democracy," said Jonathan Collegio, a spokesman for American Crossroads.

The super PACs have played a major role in the primary contests. In GOP primaries so far, groups working for or against presidential candidates have spent roughly $25 million on TV ads about half the nearly $53 million spent on advertising so far to influence voters in the early weeks of the race.

The group supporting Mitt Romney, Restore Our Future, collected $17.9 million in contributions since July, most of which it spent on advertisements supporting Romney or attacking Republican rival Newt Gingrich. A pro-Gingrich group, Winning Our Future, received $11 million from the family of casino mogul Sheldon Adelson.

The new super PACs can't coordinate directly with campaigns, but many that are active in this election are staffed by longtime supporters or former aides of the candidates.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Fundraising-super-pac/2012/02/07/id/428635
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#3666198 - 02/08/12 06:16 PM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: lu61f3r]
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Originally Posted By: lu61f3r
The reason I don't think corporations should be allowed to make political donations without limit is because I don't believe business success should translate into political will. I don't believe that when a corporation sells a vast amount of product, that this should give the CEO (or whoever controls the corporation's accounts) vast political will.

I believe in Democracy.


I'm calling bullshit on this one lu61f3r. We never hear a peep from you leftists when powerful leftist union bosses spend 100's of millions to exert their will, or organize mobs of often violent union protesters to intimidate politicians. You are dead silent when the likes of Soros (or the other corporate billionaires I listed above in a post you've yet to respond to, naturally) engage in exerting their political will for leftist causes!

It is only when the alleged perpetrator is a conservative that leftists like you start speaking out.

And by the way, WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY!!! WE ARE A REPUBLIC!!!

A "democracy" is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner!
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#3666491 - 02/08/12 09:44 PM Re: We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy [Re: dblboggie]
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wow, so much bias. Like Conservatives don't get sponsored either rolleyes
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