#3340436 - 07/07/1105:25 AMRe: The Crutch - A Christian's View of Evolution
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“Ideas create idols; only wonder comprehends anything. People kill one another over ideas. Wonder makes us fall to our knees.” St. Gregory of Nyssa (Sojourners Verse and Voice). c335-c394
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Originally Posted By: Crux Australis
“Ideas create idols; only wonder comprehends anything. People kill one another over ideas. Wonder makes us fall to our knees.” St. Gregory of Nyssa (Sojourners Verse and Voice). c335-c394
Ouch!
I said something similar to this a while ago.
Spirituality will always be around, and the practice, divorced from the cognitive content of religion, the god-concepts and such, is very beneficial to some people.
And without those-god concepts, men won't kill each other because one tribe honors a polytheistic pantheon and another a single god. Or more subtle examples, like Protestant vs Catholic.
Also, bereft of that cognitive content, no one will be moved to, say, deny certain aspects of science, like evolution, or try and ram religion, as in the aforementioned cognitive content, down the throat of a student in the science classroom. Like in a particular Texas school district, some years ago.
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Go ask a philosopher. I just wanted to point out the logical fallacy in your question to Moonman. Which I think I have done.
No you haven't Foob.
All you did was dodge my question.
He has, actually.
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Originally Posted By: nblsavage
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
Is there a point you're trying to make by quoting this verse?
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
[quote=nblsavage] Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Simply that if there is a god it, by it's own admission, is responsible for evil. Therefore it is not a benevolent deity.
Have you read the whole chapter 45? Do you understand what it's talking about? Otherwise, you're just quoting without context, which is intellectually dishonest.
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#3341767 - 07/07/1111:05 PMRe: The Crutch - A Christian's View of Evolution
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Originally Posted By: WesMordine
Originally Posted By: nblsavage
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
Is there a point you're trying to make by quoting this verse?
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
[quote=nblsavage] Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Simply that if there is a god it, by it's own admission, is responsible for evil. Therefore it is not a benevolent deity.
Have you read the whole chapter 45? Do you understand what it's talking about? Otherwise, you're just quoting without context, which is intellectually dishonest.
Oh yes the vaunted "context" which is always used as a cop-out.
Is there a point you're trying to make by quoting this verse?
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
[quote=nblsavage] Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Simply that if there is a god it, by it's own admission, is responsible for evil. Therefore it is not a benevolent deity.
Have you read the whole chapter 45? Do you understand what it's talking about? Otherwise, you're just quoting without context, which is intellectually dishonest.
Oh yes the vaunted "context" which is always used as a cop-out.
Just like the atheist always do when asked to prove a negative.
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Originally Posted By: nblsavage
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
Originally Posted By: nblsavage
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
Is there a point you're trying to make by quoting this verse?
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
[quote=nblsavage] Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Simply that if there is a god it, by it's own admission, is responsible for evil. Therefore it is not a benevolent deity.
Have you read the whole chapter 45? Do you understand what it's talking about? Otherwise, you're just quoting without context, which is intellectually dishonest.
Oh yes the vaunted "context" which is always used as a cop-out.
Well, obviously you don't know what the passage you're quoting is about. Therefore your opinion of it is invalid.
Sorry to have allowed you to waste my time.
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