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#3249270 - 05/12/11 09:24 PM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: The Devils Left Hand]
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What about these?

John 14:6

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

AND

Acts 4:12

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” - talking about Jesus

AND

1 John 5:11,12

And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
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#3249281 - 05/12/11 09:31 PM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: Crux Australis]
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Which leaves out trying to find God through "the Virgin Mary" (who as a matter of fact had other children besides Jesus), or any other "saints", like the late pope. None of them can grant a 'way to the Father'.

Only the Christ can, as the Scriptures quoted above show.

In spite of that, "Christian" religious leaders teach otherwise.
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#3249283 - 05/12/11 09:32 PM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: Crux Australis]
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Well, those would clearly put Christianity in the "believe in one or more gods" circle in DLH's Venn diagram. Was there another point you were trying to make?
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#3249294 - 05/12/11 09:39 PM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: WesMordine]
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Originally Posted By: WesMordine
Which leaves out trying to find God through "the Virgin Mary" (who as a matter of fact had other children besides Jesus), or any other "saints", like the late pope. None of them can grant a 'way to the Father'.

Only the Christ can, as the Scriptures quoted above show.

In spite of that, "Christian" religious leaders teach otherwise.


Yes and it is those who lead thier followers astray only serves to add more ammo for the atheist movement to use against true faith...which is simply following Christ's example.
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#3249320 - 05/12/11 09:54 PM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: foobar456]
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Well, those would clearly put Christianity in the "believe in one or more gods" circle in DLH's Venn diagram. Was there another point you were trying to make?


Nope. No other point beside disqualifying Roman Catholicism from being Scripturally Christian.
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#3249363 - 05/12/11 10:22 PM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: WesMordine]
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Originally Posted By: WesMordine
Originally Posted By: foobar456
Well, those would clearly put Christianity in the "believe in one or more gods" circle in DLH's Venn diagram. Was there another point you were trying to make?


Nope. No other point beside disqualifying Roman Catholicism from being Scripturally Christian.
I was actually replying to Crux. You ninja'd me (posted while I was typing my reply).
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#3249670 - 05/13/11 12:19 AM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: WesMordine]
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I think the correct term for Mary's role in the Catholic faith is 'intercessor.' Catholics typically ask her to pray for them - much as Christians ask one another to do - not grant salvation.
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#3249774 - 05/13/11 01:50 AM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: tgas2010]
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People attempting to exclude Catholics (or any other branch of Christianity) from being "true Christians" amuses me. If you believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God, you're a Christian. Period. Anything more is simply differences in denomination.

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#3251916 - 05/14/11 01:55 AM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: Kthulhu]
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Originally Posted By: Kthulhu
People attempting to exclude Catholics (or any other branch of Christianity) from being "true Christians" amuses me. If you believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God, you're a Christian. Period. Anything more is simply differences in denomination.


For statistical purposes, yeah. For actually living according to the tenets of Christianity as outlined in the Scriptures, no.

I prefer the term Christendom.
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#3252016 - 05/14/11 03:45 AM Re: Something you don't see from Atheists [Re: WesMordine]
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Mary is only mentioned in five books of the Bible.

And there are no interceding saints or angels either mentioned in the Bible.
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