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#3210905 - 04/20/11 11:25 PM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: The Devils Left Hand]
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There was a study recently that suggested the placebo effect can take place even when the person knows they are getting a placebo. Maybe prayer can be useful for everyone after all.
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#3210963 - 04/21/11 12:18 AM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: The Devils Left Hand]
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Depends on the purpose of the praying. If you pray for the hole in your roof to miraculously be patched, I'd say you're wasting time.

But... I have to say I think praying can have an effect mentally, if only as a distraction.

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#3211123 - 04/21/11 03:14 AM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: MaudlinElephant]
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It's interesting how DLH and Foobar in particular are using scientific language (placebo effect) to discuss prayer as if it were some medication.
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#3211248 - 04/21/11 08:10 AM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: Oriental Knight]
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Originally Posted By: Funambulist
It's interesting how DLH and Foobar in particular are using scientific language (placebo effect) to discuss prayer as if it were some medication.



Is it really a bad descriptor for the effect of prayer?

A person's mental state changed, for apparently no reason other than their own thoughts?
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#3211252 - 04/21/11 08:20 AM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: lu61f3r]
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I know this is a bad example but how do explain the change of mental state of thousands in a Benny Hinn rally?

I think he is a fraud personally.
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#3212292 - 04/21/11 11:57 PM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: Crux Australis]
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There are adequate psychological explanations for some of those cases.
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#3830965 - 05/23/12 07:04 AM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: Oriental Knight]
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My sister recently was operated on for mouth cancer, she was given a 5% chance of survival, well she thankfully did and still is surviving.
She puts this down to her church members prayers...personally, my thanks go to some VERY skilled and dedicated surgeons!!

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#3831225 - 05/23/12 01:28 PM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: silkylegs]
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Originally Posted By: silkylegs
My sister recently was operated on for mouth cancer, she was given a 5% chance of survival, well she thankfully did and still is surviving.
She puts this down to her church members prayers...personally, my thanks go to some VERY skilled and dedicated surgeons!!


No one is saying that the doctors and surgeons were highly skilled in saving your sister's life...and I pray that she continues to do well and has a speedy recover.

All I'm saying that prayers certainly can't hurt.
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#3831569 - 05/23/12 06:53 PM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: 1oldminer]
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"I had a headache earlier this evening, but then I prayed to God, and took 800mg of Ibuprofen, and my headache soon disappeared! Praise Jesus!!"

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#3833222 - 05/24/12 06:55 PM Re: Prayer - Useful or Useless [Re: conanofthenight]
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1oldminer-
"No one is saying that the doctors and surgeons were highly skilled in saving your sister's life...and I pray that she continues to do well and has a speedy recover."

Thank you for your offer of prayers for my sister, unfortunately, this would be pretty inneffectual as you do not even know who she is!

Prayer - Useful or Useless....in this case certainly useless!

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