and you where unwilling to be gracious enough to come back to the Library on another day with out resenting Muslim Women ?????

I don't watch O'Reilly actually he's not really my cup of tea.
But I realize he can be vitrolic and cuts off his guests at times.He could use a little civility in my opinion.

But you do realize that Rosie O'Donnell did the same things as O'Reilly does and moreso, not only she did the same schtick with the guests but also to her co-host Elizabeth Hasselbeck, often belittling her or shouting her down when she was susposed to be an impartial moderator.

But if O'Reilly offends you that much why do you watch him or Fox News for that matter?

Shitte muslims have attacked and killed sunni muslims and vice-versa in Iraq. Various factions of Islam not only have attacked and killed non-muslims but thier fellow muslims.

It is these fanatics within the muslim world that is polluting the islamic faith and turning it into a death cult. However you choose to turn a blind eye to that fact.

No matter how you want to spin it cable the Wahabi sect are considered muslim, ergo, muslims attacked America, including american muslims!!!!

Indeed. Infact, the Muslims responsible for the 11th September attacks make up less than 1% of the total Muslim population of the planet. The thing is that the religious right portray the attacks as part of a war between Islam and Christianity.





What is your objection to eating Halal meat? Halal slaughter methods are as cruel as Christian, Jewish and secular slaughter methods and they do not use special poisons. It is merely a prayer so that Muslims can eat the meat, and shouldn't affect non-Muslims at all, as the prayer would be meaningless, or do you think that Muslims put black magic spells on food?

No, a small sect of Wahabi Muslims attacked the USA (not ''America''. Canada and Latin America were not attacked as far as I am aware), 1oldminer.

And who is turning a blind eye to anything? Yes Muslims kill eachother in wars, murder etc. but is it not also true that Christians have been doing the same? Is it not true that more Christians have killed Christians than any other religion?

I find it a little puzzling why no one claims that all Asians attacked us at Pearl Harbor but they are so certain that all Muslims attacked us on 9-11. Tell me why exactly the entire Asian race isn't blamed for Pearl Harbor? To blame all Muslims for 9-11 is just as strange as if you hated the Vietnamese and Laosians after Pearl Harbor which they didn't cause anymore than Iranians or Syrians caused 9-11. What's the difference?

Though 9/11 attack took place "only"in the USA it is an extension of a world wide Jihad against western culture, values and beliefs.

Do you deny that?





No one is denying christianity's own bloody past, far too much blood has been shed by overzealous fanatics distorting the scriptures pollutting the name of God.

But we cannot change the past but we change the present and the muslim world needs progressive moderate leaders to advocate peace and exhort thier followers to change thier hearts and mindsets... lay down thier arms and accept and get along with non-muslims.

But I fear that moderate voices are increasingly being drowned out by the violent factions within the muslim community.

They're a group that gets the pool as a group for a day. Just because they're a religious group shouldn't make it any different.

As for the Halal stuff, are these McDonalds forced to do so, or do they do it because they think it will be more profitable for them? Also, as I understand it, Halal is just a special way to prepare meat, like Kosher. If they have all the same food as a regular McDonalds, but it's just prepared in a special way to make it acceptable to a wider customer base, it just seems like good business to me.

1oldminer, western values don't belong in the eastern world if they don't want it. If you live in the west I fail to see how what their cultures don't accept in their lands is any of your business.

Time to do a little exercise in Logic 101, cable...

O'Reilly's Claim: Muslims attacked America on 9/11
Your claim: Muslims did not attack America on 9/11
Your other claim: A "small sub Wahhabi sect" attacked America on 9/11

Now for the logic:

Wahhabis attacked America on 9/11.
Wahhabis are Muslims.
Therefore, Muslims attacked America on 9/11.

Your rant about different Muslim sects is just a smoke-and-mirrors tactic to distract people away from the fact that your claim is completely invalid.

My reason for driving home this issue on this thread really isn't really about the mosque. If you want to discuss whether or not it should be built, that's fine. If you want to make the case that we shouldn't associate American Muslims with the hijackers because they were part of some fringe element completely out of touch with the rest of the Muslim world (which is a stretch, to say the least), that's fine. But when you say Muslims did not attack America on 9/11, you are absolutely, undeniably, and demonstrably incorrect.