Crux Australis
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Whether or not the plagues of Egypt were the scale they were described in the Bible or not Moses is still a historical figure. Both Jesus and Paul and other New Testament writers mention him.
Jesus was 1500 years after these events and we are 3500 years after.
Don't try to argue me at Egyptology WesMordine because you are bound to fail. I don't know why I am bothering because we all know you presuppose the answer (the bible is infallible) and work backwards looking for bits of evidence that you think support it.
Imagine the scale of the conspiracy (oh how you religious types love your conspiracies!) in eliminating every piece of evidence from history of an event like Exodus.
The Egyptian authorities would have to remove it from every monument (Egyptians loved their writing), every parchment, every shrine. They would have to invade the nations of their enemies, their allies and their trading partners who would have passed it on to their people who would have recorded it on paper, on monuments etc. They would have to remove it from all of those records too. They would have had to get everybody passing through Egypt to sign a non-disclosure agreement... or simply killed them. There is no reference to Exodus outside of biblical texts. You refer to Egyptians removing records, yes that is true but they have hardly been thorough if we still know about those kings? Events are a lot more difficult to remove for the reasons I stated above.
So ask yourself honestly. Which is more logical, that Egypt sent officials out across the known world to eliminate every single record? Or that Exodus never happened?
Besides, I have already addressed these issues in another thread.
W. G. Waddell - 1940. 70 years of research since then WesMordine. Where did you get that particular copy-paste job from? Watchtower or Awake?
Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
It is quite concievable for the ancient egyptians to erase any records of such a an event,and they had plenty of time to do so. Similar historical revisionism has been attempted throughout the history of mankind don't delude yourself....it has certainly has happened in our times,...
what we can say is each time Egyptians have tried to erase events they have failed..... they have not been able to wipe out all references to events with in Egypt let alone all references to those events in records of other nations..... [the one which sprang to mind was the invasion and rule by the sea peoples..... Egyptians failed to wipe all records with-in Egypt let alone the records covering the sea peoples found across of old world]
the absence of knowledge doesn't prove some thing took place
Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
Look at what the Taliban were doing with the buddhist monuments.
No matter what the Taliban did inside Afghanistan they could not remove all records of past Buddhist rule of the country
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Whether or not the plagues of Egypt were the scale they were described in the Bible or not Moses is still a historical figure. Both Jesus and Paul and other New Testament writers mention him.
Jesus was 1500 years after these events and we are 3500 years after.
Does 2000 years make a difference?
They would have been familiar with the Old Testament, that is how they would have known about Moses.
Using your argument, the equivalent would be me writing a book about Beowulf, while using the poem as a source, to prove the existence of Beowulf as a real person. Would my knowledge of Beowulf the story prove the existence of Beowulf the man?
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Whether or not the plagues of Egypt were the scale they were described in the Bible or not Moses is still a historical figure. Both Jesus and Paul and other New Testament writers mention him.
Jesus was 1500 years after these events and we are 3500 years after.
Does 2000 years make a difference?
one would have to ask where did Jesus and Paul get their information of a historical figure called Moses.... if it turned out not to be independent of the Torah sadly one would have dismiss their claim.... for the Exodus story has yet to be proved on any level
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David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
Why not if we have evidence? Is this the "there is no evidence for Julius Caesar" fallacy? Because there are many records that discuss Gaius Julius Caesar, not to mention his own written documents discussing the people of Gaul. This is an argument about variety of evidence.
Originally Posted By: Crux Australis
There is no proof that Adam and Eve or Noah or Abraham or Moses or even some New Testament figures ever existed.
Yes. And why should we presuppose the answer that they exist until proven otherwise?
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Why not if we have evidence? Is this the "there is no evidence for Julius Caesar" fallacy? Because there are many records that discuss Gaius Julius Caesar, not to mention his own written documents discussing the people of Gaul. This is an argument about variety of evidence.
Originally Posted By: Crux Australis
There is no proof that Adam and Eve or Noah or Abraham or Moses or even some New Testament figures ever existed.
Yes. And why should we presuppose the answer that they exist until proven otherwise?
Would you apply the same analogy for Homer, Cademon, or King Arthur? Many believe these people actually existed but there's no actual proof of thier existance and yet they made an impact in lot of ways in our literiture.
Or it is just biblical figures you are targeting?
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