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#2370596 - 12/17/09 02:22 PM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: Grubber]
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Originally Posted By: Grubber
whatever moon, for one thing, that is flat out untrue, for another, like your word means ANYTHING???
All anyone has to do is go read ANY of your posts since you came in here to know that all you have done since is Insult people and act like a bully telling everyone who doesn't share your views that they are wrong or don't know what they are talking about, but you never PROVE THEM WRONG. And by the way, what I just quoted from you proves my point.
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#2370619 - 12/17/09 02:52 PM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: Moonman]
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standard, BS just repeat something enough times, the stupid people will believe it.....

whatever Moony. Love you anyway
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#2371466 - 12/17/09 09:28 PM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: The_Amber_Spyglass]
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Originally Posted By: matt75
Clearly he thinks this forum is only for religiously motivated self-congratulation.


Maybe, and I'm not siding with his invading of your thread to whine against unbelievers...

But on the other hand, matt, why can't "religiously motivated" individuals share their views in an environment that is religious-friendly, since this is the RELIGION DISCUSSION subforum?

Moonman, we should perhaps rename this space the ANTI-RELIGION DISCUSSION subforum, or the RELIGION-ANTAGONIST DISCUSSION subforum, or something.

Why must all threads here turn into disproving belief???
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#2371619 - 12/17/09 10:05 PM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: WesMordine]
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#2371776 - 12/17/09 10:40 PM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: WesMordine]
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Moonman, we should perhaps rename this space the ANTI-RELIGION DISCUSSION subforum, or the RELIGION-ANTAGONIST DISCUSSION subforum, or something.

Why must all threads here turn into disproving belief???


That seems to be the trend Wes and the onus is soley on the believers to "prove" thier faith. The non-theists need not to prove anything.

That has always been the way of the world it seems.
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#2371957 - 12/17/09 11:47 PM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: 1oldminer]
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Gentlemen, this is what this section is about: "Discuss all aspects of religion. Share your views and opinions with the community."
That means ALL views, whether positive or negative towards religion, are welcome here.
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#2372209 - 12/18/09 01:20 AM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: Grubber]
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Originally Posted By: Grubber
you WISH tgas, i know full well you and the other leftist europhiles would LOVE it if there was no one but you around, since you DESPISE it when we shoot holes in your BS


This is a Religion thread. Please grind your political axes elsewhere.
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#2376701 - 12/21/09 06:14 AM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: WesMordine]
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Originally Posted By: WesMordine
But on the other hand, matt, why can't "religiously motivated" individuals share their views in an environment that is religious-friendly, since this is the RELIGION DISCUSSION subforum?

Atheism is a religious choice, even if it isn't a religion. You are free to discuss whatever you choose.

However... if Grubber can't prove that Exodus is an actual historical event, why bother contributing? His insistence that I am a "hate monger" because I have posted a case study in the archaeology of Egypt is ridiculous. I am a historian, I am concerned with what is historically true. RELIGION is claiming that this event really happened. Ergo, my field is clashing with yours in this respect. If you have any evidence that Exodus happened, please post it and I will gladly tackle it.

Evolution is also another of those subjects. People only object on religious grounds, no real scientists, from a scientific standpoint are disagreeing that evolution took place.

There are many areas where theology and history/archaeology crossover and because of my profession I am entitled to respond. I would even say that I have a duty to respond when my field is being rubbished by ignoramuses.

The Shroud of Turin is one of those. If I recall correctly, you contributed to that thread too despite largely agreeing with my evidence that it is a medieval forgery?

I would also expect you to respond if somebody posted an article that was full of errors and misinformation about your church. I would be very surprised if you didn't.

Again, I am only concerned with debunking false claims made by religion and religious people. There are plenty of religion related threads that I haven't contributed to in the slightest, though I may have read through them.


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#2378036 - 12/22/09 01:01 AM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: The_Amber_Spyglass]
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I'm fine with that. I just hope we can all avoid hostilities.

Did you hear that they found archaeological proof of Nazareth existing around the time of Jesus' life? Previously it was thought of to be false.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/091221/world/ml_israel_antiquities_1

Maybe the proof you're looking for in regards to the Exodus will turn up eventually. I have enough proof for my own intellect to accept it as fact.
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#2378130 - 12/22/09 05:02 AM Re: Why The Exodus as described in the OT did not happen [Re: WesMordine]
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As I keep saying, there is far too much contrary evidence that cannot be ignored. I am slowly working my way through the book by Finkelstein and Silberman. The book is about the historical claims about the OT and not the NT. They are both Jewish Israelis so they do not have a "hateful" agenda, as no doubt Grubber would assume.

As for the article you posted, I would advise caution until the paper/volume is published. The media is always sensationalising these stories by giving outlet to a single voice.


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