Neither did your god send any plague to the people of Italy, Germany or Cambodia to register his disapproval.
Well technically he didn't send any plagues to Egypt, as we have pointed out countless times (though Christian or Jews never take it in).
While we're at it. Why worship such a bloodthirsty being? Anyone who would punish ''the first born of Egypt'' (including children!) for the crimes of one Pharoah and his lackeys, is not a moral or good leader, god or otherwise.
_________________________
"Graves open wide and Helheim's doors too. The island's face is one searing fire; all without is a fear to see: Go, while there's time: yield back to your ship."
Registered: 12/28/04
Posts: 9662
Loc: In a country with no army =)
Originally Posted By: matt75
I've explained that to them many a time. They ain't interested in no reason and history!
Surely you mean the bits and pieces of history that have been salvaged from the dust and pieced together thinking that they are completely honest and would gladly acknowledge the humiliating loss of hundreds of thousands of slaves.
Because it has been proven that Egyptians never colored the facts themselves! [*sarcasm*]
After the death of Queen Hatshepsut, Thutmose III had her name and representations chiseled out of the monumental reliefs. Egyptians not only refused to record matters uncomplimentary to themselves but also were not above effacing records of a previous monarch if the information in such records proved distasteful to the then reigning pharaoh.
On top of that, Manetho's writings used to give order to the fragmentary lists and other inscriptions used in Egyptology, are preserved only in the writings of later historians, such as Josephus, Sextus Julius Africanus, Eusebius and Syncellus.
Hmmn... what if the documents were not as carefully passed on from one generation to the other before getting to the hands of these historians...? I could swear I've heard that argument used before against... oh yes, the bible!
In regards to this, W. G. Waddell states in the book Manetho, introduction(pp. vii, xvii, xx, xxi, xxv): "It is extremely difficult to reach certainty in regard to what is authentic Manetho and what is spurious or corrupt." Also, "There were many errors in Manetho’s work from the very beginning: all are not due to the perversions of scribes and revisers. Many of the lengths of reigns have been found impossible: in some cases the names and the sequence of kings as given by Manetho have proved untenable in the light of monumental evidence."
So, forgive my distrust of Egyptian Chronology and my questioning the exactitude of their take on history.
_________________________ Crushingly Beautiful (tm) Ladies - (as of March 31st, 2013)
Don't try to argue me at Egyptology WesMordine because you are bound to fail. I don't know why I am bothering because we all know you presuppose the answer (the bible is infallible) and work backwards looking for bits of evidence that you think support it.
Imagine the scale of the conspiracy (oh how you religious types love your conspiracies!) in eliminating every piece of evidence from history of an event like Exodus.
The Egyptian authorities would have to remove it from every monument (Egyptians loved their writing), every parchment, every shrine. They would have to invade the nations of their enemies, their allies and their trading partners who would have passed it on to their people who would have recorded it on paper, on monuments etc. They would have to remove it from all of those records too. They would have had to get everybody passing through Egypt to sign a non-disclosure agreement... or simply killed them. There is no reference to Exodus outside of biblical texts. You refer to Egyptians removing records, yes that is true but they have hardly been thorough if we still know about those kings? Events are a lot more difficult to remove for the reasons I stated above.
So ask yourself honestly. Which is more logical, that Egypt sent officials out across the known world to eliminate every single record? Or that Exodus never happened?
Besides, I have already addressed these issues in another thread.
I've explained that to them many a time. They ain't interested in no reason and history!
Surely you mean the bits and pieces of history that have been salvaged from the dust and pieced together thinking that they are completely honest and would gladly acknowledge the humiliating loss of hundreds of thousands of slaves.
Because it has been proven that Egyptians never colored the facts themselves! [*sarcasm*]
After the death of Queen Hatshepsut, Thutmose III had her name and representations chiseled out of the monumental reliefs. Egyptians not only refused to record matters uncomplimentary to themselves but also were not above effacing records of a previous monarch if the information in such records proved distasteful to the then reigning pharaoh.
On top of that, Manetho's writings used to give order to the fragmentary lists and other inscriptions used in Egyptology, are preserved only in the writings of later historians, such as Josephus, Sextus Julius Africanus, Eusebius and Syncellus.
Hmmn... what if the documents were not as carefully passed on from one generation to the other before getting to the hands of these historians...? I could swear I've heard that argument used before against... oh yes, the bible!
In regards to this, W. G. Waddell states in the book Manetho, introduction(pp. vii, xvii, xx, xxi, xxv): "It is extremely difficult to reach certainty in regard to what is authentic Manetho and what is spurious or corrupt." Also, "There were many errors in Manetho’s work from the very beginning: all are not due to the perversions of scribes and revisers. Many of the lengths of reigns have been found impossible: in some cases the names and the sequence of kings as given by Manetho have proved untenable in the light of monumental evidence."
So, forgive my distrust of Egyptian Chronology and my questioning the exactitude of their take on history.
Omission of unflattering historical events is not exclusionary to the ancient egyptians.
The history of the decisive battle of the Plains of Abraham in 1759 at Quebec City for control of New France between France and Britain, which included not only the province of Quebec, but much of what is now eastern Canada, including the Maritime Provinces as well...has been largely ignored in francophone history books.
_________________________
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas
that's cuz god is full of mistakes so many things he could have done differently
so many evils in the world he let live then eliminating the big picture
he could have easily just killed Pharoah, Satan, Hitler, Mussolini etc but failed and made each of them live..displaying his absentee presence many follow so blindly
Satan, that old serpent has been responsible for the misery of humans since the world began.
He is the father of all lies and deceit and seeks the misery of mankind for he wishes us to be as miserable as he is.
_________________________
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas
Don't try to argue me at Egyptology WesMordine because you are bound to fail. I don't know why I am bothering because we all know you presuppose the answer (the bible is infallible) and work backwards looking for bits of evidence that you think support it.
Imagine the scale of the conspiracy (oh how you religious types love your conspiracies!) in eliminating every piece of evidence from history of an event like Exodus.
The Egyptian authorities would have to remove it from every monument (Egyptians loved their writing), every parchment, every shrine. They would have to invade the nations of their enemies, their allies and their trading partners who would have passed it on to their people who would have recorded it on paper, on monuments etc. They would have to remove it from all of those records too. They would have had to get everybody passing through Egypt to sign a non-disclosure agreement... or simply killed them. There is no reference to Exodus outside of biblical texts. You refer to Egyptians removing records, yes that is true but they have hardly been thorough if we still know about those kings? Events are a lot more difficult to remove for the reasons I stated above.
So ask yourself honestly. Which is more logical, that Egypt sent officials out across the known world to eliminate every single record? Or that Exodus never happened?
Besides, I have already addressed these issues in another thread.
W. G. Waddell - 1940. 70 years of research since then WesMordine. Where did you get that particular copy-paste job from? Watchtower or Awake?
It is quite concievable for the ancient egyptians to erase any records of such a an event,and they had plenty of time to do so. Similar historical revisionism has been attempted throughout the history of mankind don't delude yourself....it has certainly has happened in our times,...
Look at what the Taliban were doing with the buddhist monuments.
_________________________
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible". ~Thomas Aquinas
Registered: 12/28/04
Posts: 9662
Loc: In a country with no army =)
Originally Posted By: matt75
Imagine the scale of the conspiracy (oh how you religious types love your conspiracies!) in eliminating every piece of evidence from history of an event like Exodus.
The Egyptian authorities would have to remove it from every monument (Egyptians loved their writing), every parchment, every shrine. They would have to invade the nations of their enemies, their allies and their trading partners who would have passed it on to their people who would have recorded it on paper, on monuments etc. They would have to remove it from all of those records too. They would have had to get everybody passing through Egypt to sign a non-disclosure agreement... or simply killed them. There is no reference to Exodus outside of biblical texts. You refer to Egyptians removing records, yes that is true but they have hardly been thorough if we still know about those kings? Events are a lot more difficult to remove for the reasons I stated above.
So ask yourself honestly. Which is more logical, that Egypt sent officials out across the known world to eliminate every single record? Or that Exodus never happened?
Religion is a powerful thing, matt. Powerful enough that if the facts were to destroy your beliefs, you would go to great effort to erase such facts.
The same things you accuse believers of doing, you're saying it would be unreasonable to think the Egyptians (and thousands of years of wear) would do. Don't forget how attached to religion the people who inscribed Egyptian history were.
And isn't it true that there are places where it is not allowed for archaeologists to work freely? Although it isn't by any stretch of the imagination ultimate evidence, there is a very nice documentary by James Cameron, in which it is shown how archaeologists are not allowed to properly carry out their research, which could very well be key to discoveries otherwise unknown of.
These authorities do not permit such work to be done for similar reasons: religious interests.
_________________________ Crushingly Beautiful (tm) Ladies - (as of March 31st, 2013)
And isn't it true that there are places where it is not allowed for archaeologists to work freely?
Like where.
Wes, the rest of your post is special pleading. Do you not realise the scale of the job required for the Egyptians to erase an event such as Exodus from their records?! Like I said, not just from every public and private recording in their own country but also they had to silence every non-Egyptian in the country at the time (traders, diplomats etc) and to invade the borders of their neighbours, their allies, their enemies as well as the allies of allies, the allies of enemies etc ad infinitum to track down and every EVERY SINGLE REFERENCE EVERYWHERE?!
Seriously, don't you see how ridiculous your assertion is and how impossible such a task would be?!
_________________________ Signed in to remove the link to a dead forum.
so many things he could have done differently 
Previous Topic
Index
