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#2362942 - 12/13/09 12:10 AM Why not kill Pharoah?
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I paraphrase something I read, but I think I have the gist of it:

In the Moses story, God slays the Egyptian first-born to convince Pharaoh to release the Israelites from their bondage.

Why so many innocents?

Pharaoh was the problem - get rid of him messily and publicly, and the next guy in line has a whole new attitude about slave labor, don't you think?
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#2363193 - 12/13/09 05:45 AM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: tgas2010]
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But then the bloodthirsty SOB wouldn't get to slake his thirst for the blood of innocents.

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#2363228 - 12/13/09 06:25 AM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: Kthulhu]
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Why didn't God get rid of Hitler or Mussolini or Pol Pot?

I'm sure their crimes outweighed Pharoah?

Sometime God shows his mercy in letting people live and to show them as examples of the wrong way to go.

Don't forget in the Egyptian story there were 9 other plagues before the slaying of the firstborn. I think Pharoah had made up his mind not to cooperate. No amount of disaster of death was going to change his mind.
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#2363230 - 12/13/09 06:26 AM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: Kthulhu]
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Kthulhu, you are not teachable like a child. Otherwise you would be able to see between the lines and see the loving meaning behind this act of genocide compassion and see that God, your Lord and Saviour, loves you so much He would be willing to kill you horribly to prove it.
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#2363238 - 12/13/09 06:28 AM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: Crux Australis]
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Originally Posted By: Crux Australis
Why didn't God get rid of Hitler or Mussolini or Pol Pot?

I'm sure their crimes outweighed Pharoah?

Neither did your god send any plague to the people of Italy, Germany or Cambodia to register his disapproval.

Why the innocent Egyptians who, according to this particular myth, were as much a victim of the unnamed Pharaoh as the Jewish people?
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#2363524 - 12/13/09 11:55 AM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: The_Amber_Spyglass]
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that's cuz god is full of mistakes smirk so many things he could have done differently

so many evils in the world he let live then eliminating the big picture

he could have easily just killed Pharoah, Satan, Hitler, Mussolini etc but failed and made each of them live..displaying his absentee presence many follow so blindly


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#2363739 - 12/13/09 01:29 PM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: Crux Australis]
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Originally Posted By: Crux Australis

Don't forget in the Egyptian story there were 9 other plagues before the slaying of the firstborn. I think Pharoah had made up his mind not to cooperate. No amount of disaster of death was going to change his mind.


Not only that, but in fact many Egyptians did heed the warnings of Jehovah and some crossed over to the Israelites. If any of those who joined in did so before that night, they may have been spared of the horrible tenth plague.

Granted, that wasn't the case of the majority, but the most important thing to understand is that the ten plagues upon Egypt all proved to be a judgment against the gods of Egypt, especially the tenth, the death of the firstborn.

The ram or male sheep was sacred to the god Ra, so that splashing the blood of the Passover lamb on the doorways would be blasphemy in the eyes of the Egyptians. Also, the bull was sacred, and the destruction of the firstborn of the bulls would be a blow to the god Osiris. Pharaoh himself was venerated as a son of Ra. The death of Pharaoh’s own firstborn would thus show the impotence of both Ra and Pharaoh.

The complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death. Jehovah effectively left Egyptian religion in ruins.
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#2363793 - 12/13/09 02:07 PM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: WesMordine]
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Having said that, Jehovah God did kill this haughty Pharaoh at the Red Sea. The book of Psalms indicates so:

"And who shook off Pharaoh and his military force into the Red Sea:
For his loving-kindness is to time indefinite"
-Psalm 136: 15 NWT



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#2363883 - 12/13/09 02:44 PM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: WesMordine]
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let us not forget.......... not one word of this story can be found with in any Egyptian chronicle

But if we are asked to read between the lines of this story........... then mayhap the whole point of the tale is an imaginative way of describing the gradual transition between the multi-god worshiping Israelis and the single god worshiping Israelis........... with the single god slowly leading it's people from the starting point of the transition to the other (but still not a complete religion) point........... mayhap, mayhap........... and if it is just a imaginative way of describing how a peoples found their god........... then NO Egyptian died
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#2363966 - 12/13/09 03:24 PM Re: Why not kill Pharoah? [Re: cable2]
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I've explained that to them many a time. They ain't interested in no reason and history!
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