You equate success with gov't programs that supposedly work. Success and draining the bank is a failure. Medicare is NOT a successful program. I'm sure recipients love getting free health care, but Medicare is slowly bankrupting America.
I was talking more about things like the Military, the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, etc.
From what i've read over the years, the health care systems in Canada and the UK are not utopias. Those systems are huge money pits and everybody who can turns to private medicine.
Well it seems to me that the current bill is more like the German system than the Canadian or British one.
And medicine is medicine, it's the Private insurance that's in demand, which enables competition beween private insurance companies contrary to some rightist's beliefs.
Private insurances can offer services the government cannot.
Canadians flock across the border to avoid wait times for tests and procedures,
Much like some Americans go to Mexico in order to avoid huge debts because of medical costs.
and every Brit who can afford private insurance gets it.
that's a luxury thing though, not because the government option is horrible. Private insurances can give you luxuries like a single bed room in the hospital, decreased waiting times, more expensive medication, etc.
The government is only there to provide BASIC health care.
People in favor of the "Public Option" tend to think there's only two alternatives: you either support Obama or you're a Rush Limbaugh Republican who thinks it's fine to screw the poor. This means that economic rationalists who try to point out that we should actually fix our incredibly broken health care system instead of turning it over to the government to make it worse get shouted down.
Well that's because most Americans tend to only see black or white. You're either with us, or you're against us. Quite honestly, it was the Republicans that have shown no ambition to tackle this problem whereas the Dems have tried to do this twice now.
Yes, the right way to fix health care is hard and painful. It would require:
1) Breaking the medical establishments guild-like control of health care and insisting that outcomes metrics are actually tracked.
2) Disabusing ourselves of the fantasy that we can make health care "free" and control costs at the same.
It's never about it being free. You pay into a tax free account, as does your employer, and that's how your insurance payments will get paid.
3) Forcing ourselves to do actual cost-benefit analysis of medical care, instead of believing that every human life is deserving of the best that modern technology can offer, whatever the cost.
The government's job is to offer basic health care for those who can't afford it. Anybody that wants better Health Care can go to the Private Insurance companies.
4) Let insurance actually work like insurance, where your behavior affects your insurance rates. If we don't let actuaries participate, it's not "insurance" it's just subsidization.
I think that's part of the problem. The insurance companies come up with all kinds of excuses to jack up your premiums and that's where government intervention is necessary.
If we could do all of the above the cost of health care would come down radically. At that point if we wanted to use public money to help the poor with expenses we could do so without just creating another huge trough at which patients and doctors could gorge themselves on "free" health care. Nothing is free. Ask those in California. That far-left legislature has given away the farm and the state literally has seen a huge brain drain and business drain of people who want to get away from that liberal sh!t hole.
Well that's what I've been saying. Drive down the prices and then go ahead with the Health Care Plans.