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#2325250 - 11/21/09 12:12 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: The_Amber_Spyglass]
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Originally Posted By: matt75
A failure to take responsibility for one's actions. In the same way that people attribute their personal successes to this god and excuse their bigotries as being the will of their god.


I don't think that's necessarily a problem, as long as the person isn't taking the responsibility for the problems or the successes. The problem is far too many people like to take credit when something goes well, but then blame someone/something else when a negative occurs.

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#2325266 - 11/21/09 12:26 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: cobalt]
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Originally Posted By: cobalt
Take the example of a plane crash. Say a 747 loses an engine and crash-lands. Would anyone say there was divine causality? Now what about if, against the odds, a living baby is pulled from the wreckage, and regains consciousness a couple of days later in a hospital. Would people be more likely to attribute divine causality here?

I think they do. They make the pattern fit their pre-supposed ideas. Let us just take a round figure of 200 passengers and crew. 199 burn horribly in that crash but one baby survives. They credit "God" for the survival of the child but never blame the same deity for the nasty way in which 199 others were killed.

It is absurd that this god being seems to deserve all of the credit when things go well, but receives none of the blame when things go tragically wrong.

Think of the Hudson River crash. Most of us realise that the survival of that aircraft, its crew and passengers was down to the quick thinking and excellent training of the pilot... but some would rather thank an invisible sky genie for this.
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#2325270 - 11/21/09 12:28 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: The_Amber_Spyglass]
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Originally Posted By: matt75
I think they do. They make the pattern fit their pre-supposed ideas. Let us just take a round figure of 200 passengers and crew. 199 burn horribly in that crash but one baby survives. They credit "God" for the survival of the child but never blame the same deity for the nasty way in which 199 others were killed.

It is absurd that this god being seems to deserve all of the credit when things go well, but receives none of the blame when things go tragically wrong.

Think of the Hudson River crash. Most of us realise that the survival of that aircraft, its crew and passengers was down to the quick thinking and excellent training of the pilot... but some would rather thank an invisible sky genie for this.


The part in bold is the part I have no real problem with, as I personally have seen/heard of many more cases of the opposite; Blame all the time, but taking credit for the good things.

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#2325280 - 11/21/09 12:35 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: TJChurch]
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But I have never heard of an instance where somebody blames any god when things go wrong but take personal responsibility for their successes.

We need all take responsibility for our actions, for our successes in life as well as our failures. For if we did not fall down once in a while, how would we ever learn to pick ourselves up again?
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#2325609 - 11/21/09 03:50 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: TJChurch]
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i ask this question because i don't understand how most people who don't believe in a god go and blame him anyway as tho they have been forsaken for example is war,rape,murder really gods doing or is it our own. i believe thats what makes us different then anything else in this planet, we have freedom and choices yet i dont understand why it seems no one really wants to be Noble anymore why instead of going forward we go backwards why we as humans never come together as whole but only drive our selves farther away

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#2325614 - 11/21/09 03:55 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: loserchild16]
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Who has done that then? I don't blame a god I don't believe in for all the ills of the world and I daresay any TRUE atheist ever would. That would be like Christians blaming Poseidon for every instance of drowning at sea.
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#2325651 - 11/21/09 04:40 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: loserchild16]
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Originally Posted By: loserchild16
i ask this question because i don't understand how most people who don't believe in a god go and blame him anyway as tho they have been forsaken for example is war,rape,murder really gods doing or is it our own. i believe thats what makes us different then anything else in this planet, we have freedom and choices yet i dont understand why it seems no one really wants to be Noble anymore why instead of going forward we go backwards why we as humans never come together as whole but only drive our selves farther away


GEORGE: What if the pilot gets picked up and it becomes a series?

DANA: That'd be wonderful George, you'll be rich and successful.

GEORGE: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm worried about. God would never let me be successful. He'd kill me first. He'd never let me be happy.

DANA: I thought you didn't believe in God?

GEORGE: I do for the bad things.

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#2325658 - 11/21/09 04:46 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: loserchild16]
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God used to be the answer to things we didn't have an answer for (i.e. "It's God's will"). Now that science and technology are answering our questions, one at the time, the reasons we have to blame God (or thank him, for that matter) are dissipating.

One day a leap in technology, such as a new telescope better than Hubble, may actually lead us to 'find God' among the stars and the sky. Who knows? But, more likely, as technology improves, we will discover more logical answers to our questions.
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#2325694 - 11/21/09 05:06 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: Duff Diver]
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Are you envisioning a science that cures all diseases and eliminate suffering of all kinds and make us live forever? Because as long as we suffer, we blame. When things don't go our way way, we blame. If disease didn't kill us, we steal from each other, rape, and kill each other in wars.

Science might help us figure out how something went wrong but it doesn't eliminate things like competition for limited resources, for power and money.

Who is ultimately responsible? Do we have complete free will? Can we just accept the randomness and uncertainty inherent in this universe?
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#2325742 - 11/21/09 05:24 PM Re: Why do people blame god for what we do to each other? [Re: Duff Diver]
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One day a leap in technology, such as a new telescope better than Hubble, may actually lead us to 'find God' among the stars and the sky. Who knows? But, more likely, as technology improves, we will discover more logical answers to our questions.

The large Hadron Collider got switched on again today. Hopefully that will provide a lot of answers we have been seeking.
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