Even if there is a God, it's pretty apparent at this point that he has no bearing on our everyday lives, unless you pretend he's there listening to you when you talk to him.
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Threads like this make me laugh my rearend off. Even if there is a God, it's pretty apparent at this point that he has no bearing on our everyday lives, unless you pretend he's there listening to you when you talk to him. All these disasters and situations of peril occur every day, but you never see any intervention by God to stop them from happening. God doesn't stop or cause hurricanes. God doesn't cure cancer. God doesn't grow limbs back for us. Science will one day do these things.
How do you know science will?
That sounds an awful lot like "faith" in science to me. Surely we don't want to go there, but you must listen to what you're saying.
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There is a reason why God is not yet intervening in human affairs: this world is not under God's rule. Humankind is independent of God, as it chose from the beginning. God has no obligation to fix the problems that humanity got into by negating His leadership.
If He did so, He would be contributing to the false assumption that humans can successfully govern themselves, which is not the case.
Let us not forget that if we want God to take over protecting us from 'natural disasters and diseases and situations of peril that occur every day', we would also have to accept His sovereignty in every aspect of life: goodbye politics, goodbye human governments, goodbye frontiers, goodbye armies. Goodbye independence from God.
When humankind is under the sole rule of Jehovah God and His anointed king Jesus Christ, we will have all that protection and that perfect health, and all those regenerated limbs.
That is what the bible refers to as The Good News of the Kingdom of God.
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me thinks you an't been reading your lives of the saints........... they where always healing chopped off arms, legs and heads
I sort of did overlook that, didn't I? Still, the evidence for those examples is strictly anecdotal, and modern-day 'saints' don't appear to intercede in these types of cases either.
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Threads like this make me laugh my rearend off. Even if there is a God, it's pretty apparent at this point that he has no bearing on our everyday lives, unless you pretend he's there listening to you when you talk to him. All these disasters and situations of peril occur every day, but you never see any intervention by God to stop them from happening. God doesn't stop or cause hurricanes. God doesn't cure cancer. God doesn't grow limbs back for us. Science will one day do these things.
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
There is a reason why God is not yet intervening in human affairs: this world is not under God's rule. Humankind is independent of God, as it chose from the beginning. God has no obligation to fix the problems that humanity got into by negating His leadership.
If He did so, He would be contributing to the false assumption that humans can successfully govern themselves, which is not the case.
Or, more accurately,
Originally Posted By: WesMordine
*Wes sticks his fingers in his ears and sings loudly*
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An Eagle was soaring through the air when suddenly it heard the whizz of an Arrow, and felt itself wounded to death. Slowly it fluttered down to the earth, with its life-blood pouring out of it. Looking down upon the Arrow with which it had been pierced, it found that the shaft of the Arrow had been feathered with one of its own plumes. "Alas!" it cried, as it died,
"We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction."
The whole thing is just a collection of mythology derived from earlier written and oral traditions. For example..The flood myth taken from Epic Of Gilgamesh, etc. [/quote]
Oddly, I am not sure about that. Both Gilgamesh and the Jewish story of Noah are from the same mythological, cultural and linguistic grouping; Semitic, so I think that the flood story merely has a common source with the one mentioned in Gilgamesh.
It does however ''borrow'' from the Indo-European Zoroastrianism and Mithraism.
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[quote] Certain lizards and lobsters have the ability to regrow appendages... Humans cannot regenerate limbs, or other body parts such as eyes because as wes explained we are not meant to lose such things.
So lizards are meant to lose limbs?
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"Graves open wide and Helheim's doors too. The island's face is one searing fire; all without is a fear to see: Go, while there's time: yield back to your ship."
Humanity have been trying lead themselves without God's councils since the dawn of man and they all have failed...miserably.
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But not the Christian god. Cavemen were not Semitics and neither were the later Indo-Europeans, Austronesians, Nubian etc. etc.
[quote=1oldminer]I don't follow the adage of inheriting Adam's Original sin because I simply don't believe babies are born, already tainted with sin.But because we are limited, mortal beings, we fall far short of the perfection that is God.All of us have sinned but not because of Adam's disobedience/transgression.
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And, as stated earlier, this is one of the reasons I theoretically prefer Mormonism to mainstream Christianity.
[quote] God does promise and he will deliver on his promises IN HIS DUE TIME, but again being like impatient little children, we want instant results from God and when he "fails" to deliver we blame him for not loving us enough to deliver his promises at a time we want them.
But there is zero evidence that he will deliver. The Christian holy book has claimed that the world would be ending within the reader's lifetime (well, really the characters in the book but that is another debate) for centuries and it has never arrived.
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"Graves open wide and Helheim's doors too. The island's face is one searing fire; all without is a fear to see: Go, while there's time: yield back to your ship."
In the immortal words of Albert from The Hogfather. "Give people jam today and they'll just sit and eat it. jam tomorrow now! - that'll keep them going for ever."
And that is what this god likes to dangle in front of his followers, jam tomorrow and when tomorrow arrives it becomes today. It has made zombies of people for 2000 years... and what willing zombies they are.
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In the immortal words of Albert from The Hogfather. "Give people jam today and they'll just sit and eat it. jam tomorrow now - that'll! keep them going for ever."
And that is what this god likes to dangle in front of his followers, jam tomorrow and when tomorrow arrives it becomes today. It has made zombies of people for 2000 years... and what willing zombies they are.
Atheists have yet to come up with a better alternative.In fact, they even tried to run a few countries, like China, the former Soviet Union, Noth Korea, to name a few...on grounds of a classless, socialistic non-theist society and the results were tragic.
Let's face it matt without God's help to guide it.Humanity has utterly failed on its own merits in all its forms of government and society.
I challenge you to name one perfect utopian, godless society that has ever existed.
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