#2320179 - 11/18/0910:16 PMRe: A dutch member of parliament warning of Islamazation of Europe
[Re: Moonman]
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Originally Posted By: TexasBlue
I've seen enuff vitriol towards the Christian right on here to know how the left feels about them. My only defense of them is in this form. Otherwise, you all know my stance on religion.
From who? Examples?
Originally Posted By: Grubber
i dont care if his middle name IS adolph, if he is right, he is right, and in this case, i think he is right
Adolf is spelled with an "f" at the end. And he may be right, but what he has proposed to solve this problem is what reminds you strangely of the NSDAP.
Originally Posted By: Moonman
Originally Posted By: bubblebliss
Be careful not to apply a certain stereotype to a whole religion, as it will only lead to your views being distorted and your judgement on these people negatively influenced.
Practice what you preach next time you go off on one of your anti-gun rants bubble. No offense intended, just making a comparison.
Are you actually comparing guns to religion? I assume you're saying that I apply the stereotype of "guns leading to gun owners doing bad things" to every gun owner? And that's not true, I'm simply saying that it's inevitable that guns will fall into the wrong hand. Anything in a responsible man's hand won't be dangerous, it's the irresponsible ones you have to consider.
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#2320339 - 11/18/0910:47 PMRe: A dutch member of parliament warning of Islamazation of Europe
[Re: bubblebliss]
Moonman
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Originally Posted By: bubblebliss
Originally Posted By: Moonman
Originally Posted By: bubblebliss
Be careful not to apply a certain stereotype to a whole religion, as it will only lead to your views being distorted and your judgement on these people negatively influenced.
Practice what you preach next time you go off on one of your anti-gun rants bubble. No offense intended, just making a comparison.
Are you actually comparing guns to religion? I assume you're saying that I apply the stereotype of "guns leading to gun owners doing bad things" to every gun owner? And that's not true, I'm simply saying that it's inevitable that guns will fall into the wrong hand. Anything in a responsible man's hand won't be dangerous, it's the irresponsible ones you have to consider.
No I wasn't comparing gun to religion, but the mind set that you have been using lately in your anti-gun rants. You make it seem that anyone who owns a gun will go on a shooting rampage and therefor no one should have guns, Just because once in a while someone does go off like that. That is called stereotyping, which you have done before. The part that I have bolded is exactly what I meant.
#2320448 - 11/18/0911:15 PMRe: A dutch member of parliament warning of Islamazation of Europe
[Re: Moonman]
bubblebliss
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No, I don't think every gun owner will go off on a killing spree. I realise that this is only a very small minority.
What my problem with guns is that the current gun laws will make it that much easier for that small minority to go off on a killing spree. Sure, they could use knives, bats, etc. but chances are that they will not be able to kill/hurt as many people with that as they would with a gun.
The one question I ask myself about guns is: Is it really necessary? You think of it as a punishment to prevent everybody from owning a gun. I don't see it as such. I see it as a step to ensure public safety.
But let me make this clear:
I am in favor of stricter gun laws, but I'm not in favor of banning guns altogether in the US. I think too many guns are in circulation, whether legally or in the black market, that a gun ban would truly lead to only the criminals having guns. Whenever I debate this subject, I apply it to no country in general, I simply state facts as they are. I still oppose easying the gun ban in Europe because without many guns around, deadly crime in Europe is significantly lower there than in the US. Of course, that has other factors as well.
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I've seen enuff vitriol towards the Christian right on here to know how the left feels about them. My only defense of them is in this form. Otherwise, you all know my stance on religion.
From who? Examples?
I'm not going to play that game. Go read a few threads in the religion section. It's useless to post examples because you dismiss everything under the sun even if it's hard evidence.
#2320690 - 11/19/0902:56 AMRe: A dutch member of parliament warning of Islamazation of Europe
[Re: 1oldminer]
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Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
Originally Posted By: DeepAtSea
Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
If this guy is an extremist as you claim DAS, then give some examples. Has this guy advocated the elimination of all muslims in the same manner as the iranian leader?
As long as he doesn't support persecution of muslims in the same manner in muslims contries towards non-muslims, particularly jews then he has a right to his opinions then.As far as I know he brings up some important matters you need to understand.
do you remember than i think that the religions are the curse of the world? and the moslem religion as the others!
Don't sidestep the question DAS.
I ask you to give me examples of this dutch parliament member being an extremist.
you read your first topic???????????? i suppose that your next thread will be on one of your other obsessions with the islamization of europe(homosexuality, abortion, french-speaker...)
If this guy is an extremist as you claim DAS, then give some examples. Has this guy advocated the elimination of all muslims in the same manner as the iranian leader?
As long as he doesn't support persecution of muslims in the same manner in muslims contries towards non-muslims, particularly jews then he has a right to his opinions then.As far as I know he brings up some important matters you need to understand.
do you remember than i think that the religions are the curse of the world? and the moslem religion as the others!
Don't sidestep the question DAS.
I ask you to give me examples of this dutch parliament member being an extremist.
you read your first topic???????????? i suppose that your next thread will be on one of your other obsessions with the islamization of europe(homosexuality, abortion, french-speaker...)
Don't pull that stupid crap DAS...
I read the article I posted.I did not find any incrimanating words he said. I admited I did not know much about this dutch politician.You and bubbles claim he was an extremist.You must provide proof of your acusation of this man.
Now give us some examples of this guy being one of the most extreme right wing politicians in Europe today. Has he said anything that is comparable to what muslim extremists stated about the jews and Isreal?
Has he gone on record that he wants to erradicate every muslim in Europe?
If you cannot provide the answer then you cannot back up your accusations.
Now if you cannot provide proof then you are bearing false witness and slander.
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If this guy is an extremist as you claim DAS, then give some examples. Has this guy advocated the elimination of all muslims in the same manner as the iranian leader?
As long as he doesn't support persecution of muslims in the same manner in muslims contries towards non-muslims, particularly jews then he has a right to his opinions then.As far as I know he brings up some important matters you need to understand.
do you remember than i think that the religions are the curse of the world? and the moslem religion as the others!
Don't sidestep the question DAS.
I ask you to give me examples of this dutch parliament member being an extremist.
you read your first topic???????????? i suppose that your next thread will be on one of your other obsessions with the islamization of europe(homosexuality, abortion, french-speaker...)
1oldminer is denying that Wilders is an extremist. That is the funniest thing I have heard all year
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#2321210 - 11/19/0901:36 PMRe: A dutch member of parliament warning of Islamazation of Europe
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In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.
the oldest of my 2 daughters, she's 9 years and at the school, she reads "Zadig" of "Voltaire", she goes to a public school...
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The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.
huge bullshit!!! french school are laic!!! RELIGION ARE ILLEGAL!!!!!
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Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves.
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Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel. I could go on forever with stories like this.
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The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France. One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks.
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Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.
proof it! good luck!
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And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region.
not in france
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all the text is an accumulation of lie or the half-truth in the only purpose to manipulate the idiots.
Hitler, 60 years ago, has convinced millions of people around the world that there were too many Jews and later that Jews should be exterminated, but if you want to support a new hitler, you're free of your choice.
yesterday, i wanted to lock the thread, i didn't it and i was wrong.