Something I've been saying for months now.

prob would have been noticed if everyone didnt ignore your crap most of the time.........

Actually, I was pretty low key until you showed up. Some other posters get under my skin once in a while, but generally they have good manners and are interesting conversationalists.

You have exhibited no detectable redeeming qualities to date.

considering the source......THANKS. As long as *AHEM* people like YOU dont like me, I know i am doing something right.

it's so sad that yet another thread Hijacked............ and turned into yet another battle over the bullying from our latest extreme right wing American raciest [ as Muslims can not be said to be a race you can't call me a raciest................ Jews in the 1930's could not be called a race, so you could not call anyone abusing them raciest ] waisted !

How about you just not start these stupid propaganda threads in the first place? All you ever do is hate on Israel or hate on America. And then you have the nerve to accuse others of being bigots.

Finally someone said the truth.

If you find the thread offensive, don't open it.

If you find posts within it offensive, don't read them.

Easy as that. Nobody is forcing you to read these posts.

I have no problem with people with different opinions on the matter, such as yourself bubbles. I do find cable's historical viewpoints out of touch with reality.

cable2's posts are clearly based on propoganda, historical revisionism and anti-american and isreali sentiments. Clearly he has issues with America and Isreal.

I simply concurred what Pieman stated was the truth.

If cable2 is allowed to post such inflammortory propoganda, then why should others like Pieman,Texasblue or Grubber not be allowed to post thier views to counter them?

I think it's sometimes difficult to distinguish propaganda from a persuasive piece of writing. Naturally, matters seriously critical of US are met with hostility and bring out the patriot in many.

Similarly, Israel is a sore point. As an American ally(perhaps biggest if based on American financial and military aid), as a homeland to Jews, source of much hostility in Middle East with Arab neighbors, inhumane treatment of Palestinians and illegal occupation of Palestine, Israel is bound to provoke strong feelings.

In some ways, Israel is a victim. We think about Jews fleeing the horrors in Germany and Europe looking for a place to call home. We want to help and protect Israel. Arab countries did not want Israel there and you feel for the Jews there who worry about being attacked (Iran's president's message regarding "wiping Israel off the map") and the fear of suicide bombers killing civilians at any time and any place.

But at the same time Israel treats Palestinians in a brutal and inhumane manner, killing civilians and destroying homes, breaking many laws and ignoring UN's rulings, has nuclear weapons, has a flourishing economy, receives aids in billions of dollar from US not to mention the military aid, and has a powerful military which has proved itself in the Six-Day War and is far stronger now.

Much of hostility of the people in Middle East comes from US's unconditional and strong support of Israel. The Palestinian situation is a sore point for them. Of course now there is also bitterness about Afghanistan and Iraq but Palestinian situation has a long history.

So part of "War on Terror" has to be more diplomatic, addressing Israel's conduct as well. Otherwise, US will continue to pay the price. This does not have to be a all-or-nothing situation. Holding Isreal responsible does not mean that US has to stop giving Israel aid or supporting it. But it means that Israel understands that this partnership goes both ways. We need their help as much as they need us. We can pay them and support them because we feel obligated for moral reasons to help victims of Holocaust and because of their strategic location, but they can't just go around destroying homes and killing people there and complain to us about suicide bombers, and at the same time asking us to support them, something that continues to tarnish America's image in Middle East.

We need them to act sensibly and responsibly. We got our hands full with the wars and economy. We can't handle anymore.