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#2264520 - 10/20/09 11:25 AM Opinions about music and fans.
bigproblem11 Offline
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I hope it isn't against the rules, if i will start here discussion about music and fans.

First of all...
What is wrong some people, who don't accept others opinions.
If i say for example i don't like some celebrity's look, i can be banned because of that. Because rules don't allow me to say anything about this. I understand the point of it. It is for people who wanna insult others personally. But how is opinion, that i don't like somebody's look, abusive? Or how is abusive my opinion, that somebody's music is too old and empty? Or opinion, that all her/his look and music is total camp. Yes it isn't said in good way, but it is my opinion and only my opinion! It all happened here - http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2264243#Post2264243

So my question is - Are some fans simply blind? Or wanna see only good sides of their idols. Or even don't accept others opinions. Even, if they are negative ones?

In my opinion, it should be allowed to say your negative opinion in this board! Not direct insult, like she/he is.... But opinions about music and look should be tolerated.

Secondly.
I like lots of different kind of music. I don't say that this kind of music is worth listening and this isn't.
To me most important things are - is author talented, is look correct or (and) interesting, is performer talented, with good voice and abilities work properly, is music and lyrics made (recorded) professionally.

Main question is - Should fans be too overprotective?
I mean, should they react to every little critic about their idols? We all are humans and we all have faults! Nobody's perfect.

So what do you think about it?

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#2264582 - 10/20/09 12:01 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: bigproblem11]
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The postings in the contents section are for people who like the celebrities. If you don't liker her (even if it is only her look and her music) why do you visit her thread? Only to offend peöple who liko her look and her music? I don't get it! I don't think you have downloaded and watched the videos.

See it from the other side: You post some pics and the replies you get are mostly like: "Ugly" or "She's not beautiful and totally overrated". Would you love to make another pic posting here?
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#2264584 - 10/20/09 12:03 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: bigproblem11]
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Originally Posted By: bigproblem11

First of all...
What is wrong some people, who don't accept others opinions.
If i say for example i don't like some celebrity's look, i can be banned because of that. Because rules don't allow me to say anything about this. I understand the point of it. It is for people who wanna insult others personally. But how is opinion, that i don't like somebody's look, abusive? Or how is abusive my opinion, that somebody's music is too old and empty? Or opinion, that all her/his look and music is total camp. Yes it isn't said in good way, but it is my opinion and only my opinion! It all happened here - http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2264243#Post2264243

So my question is - Are some fans simply blind? Or wanna see only good sides of their idols. Or even don't accept others opinions. Even, if they are negative ones?

In my opinion, it should be allowed to say your negative opinion in this board! Not direct insult, like she/he is.... But opinions about music and look should be tolerated.



The point is that there are places where you can express negative opinions about music or whatever, but those places are NOT the picture forums.
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#2264644 - 10/20/09 12:27 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: Mindcrime]
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the point was this;

if you don't like someones post, don't post your "opinion" because no one cares what you think about some swedish singing star.
your "opinion" clutters up a thread.
your "opinion" is unwanted.
no one really cares what you like or don't like. post what you like, share it and people will like that.

just my "opinion".

i happen to think rachael ray is a fat turd but if i posted that in every thread, it would take six months and get me banned...so..that was the first and the last of that...

just my "opinion".


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#2264663 - 10/20/09 12:44 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: stagliano]
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No, your NEGATIVE opinion is unwanted and clutters up the thread. If you've nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all when replying to threads in the picture forums. As far as I'm aware, you're free to start a thread in the appropriate discussion forum about that - but that isn't what the picture forums are there for.
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#2264699 - 10/20/09 01:08 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: Mindcrime]
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I have to agree concerning the picture forums...negative opinions and trolling a thread of someone you don't like clutters the threads, and is more useless and makes you look like a immature twat that just wants to stir up sh!t


why waste the time to reply to a post just to say so and so is fat and ugly, if you don't like the celeb or hate her/him fine! but take in account others may like such celebs and don't want to waste time seeing morons trolling it, and argue with there varied opinions...especially if they are the ones who started the thread

this place is to appreciate the post or enjoy the posts of certain celebs by members who taken the time to share the pics with others


if you just wanna hate on them there's other places for that, where you can have a blast insulting or flaming a celeb or other's opinions with negativity

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#2265021 - 10/20/09 03:46 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: Death Dealer]
bigproblem11 Offline
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As i understand.. All who posted here are against free will.
Against freedom of speech.

And... Those postings with - Great, Hot and full of some kind of smiles are certainly with real point!?

Sorry, but arguing is certainly more sensible, than posts with million smiles, or with one word to reply!

If someone don't have anything sensible to say, he/she don't have to reply at all!

What is wrong with saying, i don't like.... It isn't insulting!

And this thread is about music btw! And fans.
As i see there are lots of those crazy fans here, who will lick (adore) every inch under their idols feet. Sorry this kind of pointless admiring is sick. Sorry, it is!

PS. I would prohibit anyone to reply with one word or more than 5 smiles in one posting!

BTW! Thanks marathonmann for proper explanation!
Most of other replays were something like - you're such a imbecile and we are so brilliant. Why argue in pointless topic etc. It isn't pointless argue. Most people are simply so superficial!:D

And to marathonmann.. I always download and i watch before i will say anything! I'm not that guy, who whines all the time and to all! I simply say, i don't like, if i really don't like it!
And this Swedish singer was not good at all for me, it is all i don't like in music:D Superficiality, camp etc... I don't reply to every thread i see:D;) Look to my postings:D


Edited by bigproblem11 (10/20/09 04:34 PM)

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#2265274 - 10/20/09 05:57 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: bigproblem11]
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As i understand.. All who posted here are against free will.
Against freedom of speech.


What are you blabbering on about now?

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And... Those postings with - Great, Hot and full of some kind of smiles are certainly with real point!?


Yes, because the point of the picture forums is to share content with others who may enjoy it, too. Replies such as those merely show appreciation and gratitude for the hard of the posters.


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Sorry, but arguing is certainly more sensible, than posts with million smiles, or with one word to reply!


The point of those forums ISN'T to deliberately incite others.

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If someone don't have anything sensible to say, he/she don't have to reply at all!


I couldn't agree more.

Quote:
What is wrong with saying, i don't like.... It isn't insulting!


Feel free to start a discussion in the appropriate section, but the picture forums are the wrong place to do it. How many more times does that need to be said?

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#2265486 - 10/20/09 06:46 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: Mindcrime]
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Ok Mindcrime I'll give up!

Because to argue with you is same, as spitting upwind:)
I say one thing and you'll blow it to my face mixed with your own thoughts:).. It's really pointless:)

As i said - No difference what part of this forum is discussion, rules have to be same to all! In the meaning, that if my dislikes and thoughts are against rules, than all pointless "spamming" should be it, as well. I mean those one word replies and hundreds of smilies in one posting!

But about fans and music..
Question is, what is proper reaction of fans to critic?
Is it whining and report to admins and modes, or is it PM to poster or simply answering in same thread?:D;)?


Edited by bigproblem11 (10/20/09 06:47 PM)

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#2265537 - 10/20/09 06:58 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: bigproblem11]
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The picture forums are for people to have a good time and enjoy the pictures. If you don't like someone, don't post in their threads. If you want to report someone who has posted something negative in a thread, there's a thread for that here. It's also outlined in the rules, as indicated below:

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h) If you don't like a certain celebrity please do not bother replying, especially if it is to incite arguing or disagreement. This is called trolling and will not be tolerated here. Users who break this rule will be warned and eventually banned if the trolling continues.


If you have a problem with any of the rules, take it up with a mod. It's that simple.
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#2265716 - 10/20/09 07:50 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: stagliano]
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As i see now.. You reported about this thread, where i wrote about my thoughts..:) Hmmm Name is Italian..? smile?

Anyway i'm really interested, how often you report about those threads you don't like:D? Often:)?

And.. Read my previous posts in this thread... About those single word postings and hundreds of smilies in one post:D;)!

"opinion" is real opinion...

Where you saw, that i posted my thoughts in every thread? Hmm...


Edited by bigproblem11 (10/20/09 08:02 PM)

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#2265818 - 10/20/09 08:39 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: bigproblem11]
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The reason why you cannot say negative things about a celeb because it always ends with the thread being locked because the fans of that celeb will come to their defense and it will go back and forth. There are plenty of women I don't care for but I don't bother replying. Before I was a Mod I would avoid those threads all together but now I have to read them to see what is being said

All the negatives comments do is instigate verbal arguments back and forth. I have been here long enough to tell you it happens almost 100% of the time
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#2266013 - 10/20/09 09:33 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: D5C]
bigproblem11 Offline
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Thank you D5C for explanation!
Now i can understand why this rule was made!

I'm still not agree with it, but i can now understand reasons, why it was imposed!

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#2266451 - 10/21/09 02:09 AM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: dragonninja]
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No offense, but I don't even visit the Lady Gaga forums, because I think she's too weird. Therefore, my only reason for going would be to tell other people that I don't like her. But seriously, who give a raggin' flip if I don't like her? To go to a forum about her which is visited mostly by her fans and commenting that I DON'T like her is a bit like visiting your best friend's mom's birthday party to tell a "yo mamma" joke. There may be a place for it, but it ain't there.

It's not a restriction of free speech. This is just a place for fans of certain people to gather around and exchange things they like. This place has thrived BC of fans sharing rather than non-fans complaining. Is there celebrities you like? Go there instead. I know that I personally don't have time to waste talking down other peoples' favorite peoples.

Besides, why should people not like people just because you don't? Are you suggesting they can't like whom they want? I'm not accusing you or attacking you, I'm just saying your time could be better spent adding positives to this world rather than negatives smile

P.S. MasterfulJohnson is a pretty fair guy, but tough when it comes to the rules. The mods are there to make sure that the boards stay on track, and that track is the friendly exchange of information. I have dealt with Masterful before and found him to be a great person.

I hope that you stick around. This has been a place to share good things for many years. smile


Edited by xox1234xox (10/21/09 02:18 AM)
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#2266492 - 10/21/09 03:13 AM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: xox1234xox]
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I certainly will be here in the future, xox1234xox..:) That's why i said, i don't wanna be banned, because of my thoughts:)

Now i got some critics from you and it didn't "kill" me..:)
Why should some critics kill fans?
Anyway. Point was, that there are pointless postings all over the forum and my post with some critics was deleted.

Yes, i understand your point perfectly! I don't criticize often, i would say it happens really rarely. But if it happens, than it has to touch me in really strong way! And this time it was that way!

I'm totally agree, that people have to think positively, of course. But sometimes we all have things we don't like.....
No, of course it isn't relevant to spit them out, but it isn't crime, as well.

Anyway.. Only few people were able to see really, what i wrote in my posting there. So most people even don't know, what i wrote:D;) I can say, it wasn't nice post, but it wasn't vulgar or personally insulting post, as well! So no need to objurgate me, without knowing, what i wrote exactly..:)


And... About reporting...
Of course it is obvious, that offending postings should be deleted eventually... But in my opinion, it should be last move. First one should be PM to poster... Whoever can make PM, is it some user or mode etc. It would be reason to change this post by user himself. And then, if user don't respond to PM or warning, should come editing by modes..:);)

PS.I understand, that maybe there are situations, where modes have to react immediately, but my posting surely wasn't this one.


Edited by bigproblem11 (10/21/09 03:17 AM)

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#2266499 - 10/21/09 03:30 AM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: bigproblem11]
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This thread is sh!t.
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#2266503 - 10/21/09 03:33 AM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: N'English]
bigproblem11 Offline
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Now, i can suggest, as some people said to me... Don't read it, if you don't like it:);)


And about topic...
As i said, some fans are simply too sensitive in all what concerns their idols.


Edited by bigproblem11 (10/21/09 03:43 AM)

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#2267238 - 10/21/09 02:47 PM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: N'English]
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Originally Posted By: English
This thread is sh!t.


Wow, really, you thought that was necessary to say?

I agree bigproblem, it does seem that some threads are "corrected" at a quick pace, but it isn't personal, it's just luck of the draw.

And about the pointless things here... if it's a "positive" pointless, it stays... negative stuff in the pics part of the forum should go if the wording is strong enough, no exceptions. I have seen numerous accounts deleted bc someone couldn't be nice. And like mama said, if you can't say anything nice...

Well, best keep those things to yourself.

It's not about losing fans, it's just to keep positive vibes. Like D5C said up top.

One Miley Cyrus page was blocked BC it went from posts to discussion of underage celebrities, which didn't belong there. That discussion belongs in the discussion forum.

I was going to create a Gaga vs. Katy Perry page, but decided against it when I realized it would only lead to arguing between the dyed-to-the-blue Gaga and Perry fans. I might have good intentions, but someone would come on and say that Perry is full of $h!t and then it would escalate from there. This place is big enough for everyone to get along, no reason to cause discourse.

Example: one guy tried to make a loosely scientific list of the perfect celeb body, admitting that it was not accurate. It quickly broke into a "c'mon, is THAT girl REALLY rated that?" page. I think that thread lies incomplete.

It's not that this place discourages intelligent discussion, it's just that sometimes intelligent friendly discussion is not always guaranteed.

P.S. I reported incorrect images, a mod deleted the offending images toot sweet. So, some posts are dealt with quickly and completely, at the mod's discretion.


Edited by xox1234xox (10/21/09 02:50 PM)
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#2270206 - 10/23/09 02:05 AM Re: Opinions about music and fans. [Re: xox1234xox]
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To go to a forum about her which is visited mostly by her fans and commenting that I DON'T like her is a bit like visiting your best friend's mom's birthday party to tell a "yo mamma" joke. There may be a place for it, but it ain't there.

this..

and big problem, go get some friends ok? this is getting really droll...
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