So you've stated 3 cases where they were "Liberalised".

Where does it say that these are actually used in Public Schools?

This ""critical theorists" goup reminds me more of a College course that researches a different field of mathematics than a Public Math course.
And it also says they "advocate", not that they use it in Public School Math classes.

But from what I gather, the increasingly Multicultural society in America has made its impact on classes. Being more appreciative and teaching things such as poverty rate, fast food nutrition data, and other culture's input in Mathematics has nothing liberal about it. It has to do with the trend that subjects should educate about several things. They do that by calculating the poverty rate of a country, the average income of a family, the nutrition data in fast food, etc. These make up excellent word problems.
Just because the index changed doesn't mean the whole book changed. What were the word problems like back in your day, Dbl?

There is nothing liberal about this. Only a conservative would state so because he thinks that the whole world evolves around America.

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A poorly annotated Wikipedia article, a political scientist from Stanford, an historian from NYU (don't you excoriate such institutions and their 'idealogue professors' in here all the time?) - and a medical research statistician.

So far I'd say you haven't even made a valid case to have a debate on the subject.

I would disagree with you. These subject's DO exist. We do HAVE anti-racist, social-justice and ethno mathematics.

Of that there can be no doubt. Anti-racist math has been around since the 80's.

Look, you can deny these things all you want, but this is nothing more than a natural expansion of the whole social relativistic and postmodern ideas that science is just as much a social construction as anything else.

There was an article on the subject from Fox News (yeah... I know... but few if any other media carry such topics) a few years ago which you can read HERE.

To be fair to Fox News their article was even featured in the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics website under their "NCTM In The News" section (HERE).

My larger point is that even a "hard science" like mathematics can and has been politicized to forward a liberal agenda.

Are ALL government K-12 schools teaching anti-racist mathematics - not by a long shot... BUT, I would submit that you would find many more K-12 schools using math text books whose indexes have moved from "factors, factoring, fallacies, finite decimal, finite set, formulas, fractions, and functions" to "families (in poverty data), fast food nutrition data, fat in fast food, feasibility study, feeding tours, ferris wheel, fish, fishing, flags, flight, floor plan, flower beds, food, football, Ford Mustang, franchises, and fund-raising carnival."

I don't think anyone who seriously researches this subject could deny that there has been a creeping liberal influence and agenda in our government schools.

Textbooks are being stripped of words now considered politically incorrect - such as ANY words that are gender specific like Founding "Fathers", "MAN"kind, chair"MAN" etc, etc, etc.

These are certainly not conservative views - they are liberal views.

Now, if all you follow are the mainstream media news outlets, it would be easier to understand how you might have missed this debate - but even some major daily papers have touched on these topics over the years.

It's not like I'm making something up here... this has been going on for years.

So... while you might have a problem with a Wiki entry (and I can certainly understand that as Wiki leans more left than right), the fact remains that this movement to forward an ever more liberal agenda in our government schools is very real.

Anti-Racist?? You call that a liberal thing to teach? I call that a fair and intelligent thing to teach that teaches children that not everybody is as well off as they are.

As far as the other examples go "families (in poverty data), fast food nutrition data, fat in fast food, feasibility study, feeding tours, ferris wheel, fish, fishing, flags, flight, floor plan, flower beds, food, football, Ford Mustang, franchises, and fund-raising carnival" I can guarantee those are word problems and I guarantee that terms like "factors, factoring, fallacies, finite decimal, finite set, formulas, fractions, and functions" are also in there.

Wiki leans more left than right??

Let me get this straight:

-All the mainstream media outlets lean left.

-NPR & PBS lean left

- The School System leans left

- And now Wiki, where everybody can post his knowledge about the subject, leans left also??

Who leans right then?

You forgot a few from recent discussions:

- the majority of career government employees lean left

- the judicial branch with its activist judges lean left

- the college/university structure is entirely left-dominated

- if it weren't for the citizen militia,the left would repeal
the Constitution, eliminate personal rights and embrace
communism

If "conspiracy theory" is an unpalatable word, is "paranoia" a reasonable alternative?

Yea, sorry. Those slipped my mind.

It's not paranoia if "they're" really out to get you....

Look... it's not like there is no evidence for what I've said here.

We have criminals suing their victims and winning, we have university professors going on rants about how horrible America is calling our "conservative" politicians and President every vile name in the book, we've had our Constitutional right to free speech severely infringed by the courts (including the Supreme Court) by the passage and legal defense of McCain/Feingold with even more infringements being proposed by bringing back the "Fairness Doctrine," we have welfare, "social security," socialized medicine in the form of Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP, we have government ownership or control of private-sector businesses with even more control being proposed and we have the mainstream media supporting all of this.

Call me paranoid but hey.... I see what I see and they are most DEFINITELY NOT conservative positions - they are LIBERAL positions being forwarded more and more every year - hell, every DAY!

There is scarcely a single aspect of our daily lives, down to the tiniest detail, that is not regulated by the Federal government in some way - ALL in DIRECT contravention of the Constitution!

What can I say buddy... it is what it is...

This is just the natural arc of history being played out as it has been throughout the history of mankind.

Those things have nothing to do with everybody suddenly "leaning" left.
There is no evidence NPR, PBS, or the school system leans left.

First of all, where did I say "SUDDENLY LEANING LEFT" bubbles???

There is nothing "sudden" about the leftward drift of America my friend.

This leftward drift has been going on for at LEAST the last 100 years or MORE!

And you are sadly mistaken about NPR and PBS. When it comes to politics they are left to extremely left.

Let's take Bill Moyers. When he retired from PBS in December 2004, the AP News Service quoted him as saying, "I'm going out telling the story that I think is the biggest story of our time: how the right-wing media has become a partisan propaganda arm of the Republican National Committee. We have an ideological press that's interested in the election of Republicans, and a mainstream press that's interested in the bottom line. Therefore, we don't have a vigilant, independent press whose interest is the American people."

Well if HE sees the mainstream media as being right-wing (a finding NOT supported by the oft-cited UCLA study showing the mainstream media have a liberal bias), then he MUST have (and DID) report from a very liberal point of view.

The fact is he worked for both the Kennedy Administration and the Johnson Administration.

And there is AMPLE evidence that the government school system leans left.











Probably a waste of time posting those... but at least I can say I tried.

You said:

"Our K-12 government schools long ago shed the pretense of a quality education in valuable critical thinking skills and and three "R's" as it were... they've become factories for the indoctrination of our children in liberal ideologies."

I figured it hasn't been too long so a suddenly wouldn't harm.. but forget I said suddenly.


So the guy worked in politics, and he never states that he thinks the mainstream media is right wing. He said that "right-wing media has become a partisan propaganda arm of the Republican National Committee" and that "We have an ideological press that's interested in the election of Republicans" (which doesn't say that EVERY press is interested in this), "and a mainstream press that's interested in the bottom line. (which is also painfully obvious)"

So, that's 1 person from PBS whose had controversy of bias over his program.

"In 2005 then Corporation for Public Broadcasting chairman Kenneth Tomlinson commissioned a study of the show NOW with Bill Moyers. Tomlinson said that the study supported what he characterized as "the image of the left-wing bias of NOW". Moyers replied to this by saying that his journalism showed "the actual experience of regular people is the missing link in a nation wired for everything but the truth." Moyers characterized Tomlinson as "an ally of Karl Rove and the right-wing monopoly's point man to keep tabs on public broadcasting." Tomlinson, he said, "found kindred spirits at the right-wing editorial board of The Wall Street Journal where the 'animal spirits of business' are routinely celebrated." Moyers also responded to these accusations in a speech given to The National Conference for Media Reform, pointing out that he had repeatedly invited Tomlinson to debate him on the subject, and had repeatedly been ignored. Tomlinson subsequently resigned on November 4, 2005, after a CPB inquiry found improprieties in the commissioning of the study. Investigators at the CPB said on November 15, 2005, that they had uncovered evidence that Tomlinson had repeatedly broken federal law and the organization's own regulations in a campaign to combat what he saw as liberal bias."


As far as the videos go, excuse me for not watching that garbage. You're gonna have to come up with some more reliable source.
After all, school books & the school system are 2 different things.
I can write a book for schools, but that doesn't mean they'll use it.