where is the demand from the left that this goon apologize

There won't be one. As long as it's one of their own, it's all good.

Of course, they'll tell you he's right. Therefore, no criticism.

There won't be one. As long as it's one of their own, it's all good.

Of course, they'll tell you he's right. Therefore, no criticism.

But, get by the rhetoric and he was right wasn't, he? Rush Limbaugh very clearly articulated the Republican/Conservative viewpoint on health care. In a nutshell it's this -- We (the US) don't care. Deal with it yourself -- if you can't afford it, tough. Don't get sick, don't hurt yourself. Eventually, we hope the market will resolve any issues.

I mean, that's a legitimate position to take; but if you're taking that position, admit it (like Limbaugh does), don't get all hot and bothered and pretend that that's not what you're saying.

(Note -- please excuse the "Pig Man" title on the vid, that was the only embeddable video link I could find)

If you went to a doctor with a broken wrist and offered to pay that doctor cold hard cash - with no government or insurance companies involved - you could get that wrist fixed for MUCH less than the $6,000 dollars they charge an insurer.

As I said many times... we need to get the government OUT of the health insurance and health care industry if we are to have ANY hope of bringing costs down.

Then explain this:
A friend I work with has a daughter that is in her teens, TEENS. She needed a knee operation, which she got, but there was damage to the cartilage, which now requires a second surgery. The girl is on crutches, and can't put any weight on her leg at all. But the Insurance company won't cover the second surgery, so the mother told the doctors to go ahead and do the surgery and she would take out a loan to pay for it, The hospital said NO, because it has to go through INSURANCE. So now the girl sits with a knee that is useless because the hospital won't do the surgery that she NEEDS. What is the mother supposed to do now?

government run healthcare SUCKS ASS in every case, for the same reason, it is government run.

the government cant run ANYTHING well

putting them in charge of healthcare would be teh functional equal of promoting the guy that has the lowest productivity numbers.

Except for the fact that we HAVE government run healthcare in this country, for limited people. Medicare and Medicaid are government run programs. Your U.S. Senators and Congressmen (even the ones "against government run healthcare") get FREE government-run healthcare as part of their job. Our veterans receive (and much deserve) government-run healthcare. And it's top notch care, very well run.

I doubt you have much experience at all with any government programs, health related or otherwise; or you wouldn't make such a blanket statement.

ok, let me be clear, i dont give a handfull of crap what a 19 year old german kid thinks, and i never will.

that having been said:
media matters can suck my buttcrack. a bunch of sorros paid whores, and nothing more.

government run healthcare SUCKS ASS in every case, for the same reason, it is government run.

the government cant run ANYTHING well

putting them in charge of healthcare would be teh functional equal of promoting the guy that has the lowest productivity numbers.

Except for the fact that we HAVE government run healthcare in this country, for limited people. Medicare and Medicaid are government run programs. Your U.S. Senators and Congressmen (even the ones "against government run healthcare") get FREE government-run healthcare as part of their job. Our veterans receive (and much deserve) government-run healthcare. And it's top notch care, very well run.

I doubt you have much experience at all with any government programs, health related or otherwise; or you wouldn't make such a blanket statement.

I beg to differ with you sam... I AM a disabled veteran and I would NOT call the care I receive "top notch" or "very well run" by any stretch of the imagination!

It takes a MONTH or MORE to get an appointment to see my VA primary care provider... and even longer to see a specialist within the VA system.

I waited for more than 2 months to find out if I had cancer recently... not something that would have occurred had I been on a private-sector plan.

So I feel quite qualified to make the statement that the Federal government does NOT do health care well.

ok, let me be clear, i dont give a handfull of crap what a 19 year old german kid thinks, and i never will.

that having been said:
media matters can suck my buttcrack. a bunch of sorros paid whores, and nothing more.

government run healthcare SUCKS ASS in every case, for the same reason, it is government run.

the government cant run ANYTHING well

putting them in charge of healthcare would be teh functional equal of promoting the guy that has the lowest productivity numbers.

I doubt you have much experience at all with any government programs, health related or otherwise; or you wouldn't make such a blanket statement.

Who cares aboyt Bubblebliss's age. He is certainly more mature and classy than you seem to be

12 years in the military son.

thats plenty of experience I think.

so is fine that he is wrong, everytime, a LIAR, refuses to admitt he is wrong, even when proven so, and every single thing he THINKS he knows comes out of textbooks because he has no life experiences deeper than wanking, so long as he is NICE?

jeez, no wonder you are a liberal, you live in a fantasy world too!

"it doesnt work"

is a pretty strong argument son, and no one can debate it since IT DOESNT WORK

i dont care what Rienholt says, he is a LIAR

PROVEN BEYOND A DOUBT LIAR

the german system, the english system, the canadian system, they all suck ass and (here is another LIE from the little deleted) it comes at a HUGE cost, in taxes

LISTEN UP IDIOTS

NOTHING is free

That sort of name-calling will not be tolerated Grubber - misspelled or not. It is way over the line. Do not do it again!

The Moderator

the german system, the english system, the canadian system, they all suck ass and (here is another LIE from the little adoph) it comes at a HUGE cost, in taxes

Your U.S. Senators and Congressmen (even the ones "against government run healthcare") get FREE government-run healthcare as part of their job.

Ever thought that it may be a lack of funding that results in out-dated equipment, cheap care, waiting times, and relatively untalanted Doctors?

You give the VA Hospitals the same money other Hospitals get, you'll see an improvement in all those factors.
Of course taxes would have to pay for that and we wouldn't want that.

Taxes tend to benefit you in one way or another.

12 Years in the Military doesn't entitle you to sh!t when it comes to Politics. A College education does.

VA isn't lacking funding. The VA has top notch equipment. I've seen it with my eyes!

And tell my grandpa that the doctors at the VA are untalented! He had a heart bypass and knee surgery done by them. He had no complaints.

That was a low shot at the VA. Real low.

Wait times.... that's what you get when you have X amount of doctors and X amount of patients. That's what's waiting around the corner for 300 million people instead of a half million or so.

WEll then how about you show me some [censored]!ng proof of where I lied & refused to admit I was wrong.

I can back Tex up on that one. The VA does have outstanding equipment - the latest x-ray machines that no longer use film and are all electronic (very cool because you can see your x-rays on a computer almost instantly after they are taken), and all sorts of other equipment. And I've no cause to complain about my actual treatment - at least so far (though I'm not totally thrilled with my primary care physician - who does seem chronically overworked).

But the wait times are the real problem - and like you said, that's to be expected when the patients greatly outnumber the doctors.

VA isn't lacking funding. The VA has top notch equipment. I've seen it with my eyes!

And tell my grandpa that the doctors at the VA are untalented! He had a heart bypass and knee surgery done by them. He had no complaints.

That was a low shot at the VA. Real low.

Wait times.... that's what you get when you have X amount of doctors and X amount of patients. That's what's waiting around the corner for 300 million people instead of a half million or so.

I can back Tex up on that one. The VA does have outstanding equipment - the latest x-ray machines that no longer use film and are all electronic (very cool because you can see your x-rays on a computer almost instantly after they are taken), and all sorts of other equipment. And I've no cause to complain about my actual treatment - at least so far (though I'm not totally thrilled with my primary care physician - who does seem chronically overworked).

But the wait times are the real problem - and like you said, that's to be expected when the patients greatly outnumber the doctors.

exhibit A

you asked for PROOF of media bias, i posted a study from UCLA that PROVED it, and you LIED and said it said something else and never admitted it PROVED my claim, which it did

you are a liar, thats proven

you are a waste of skin, thats opinion, but supported by your endless stream of marxist crap

you dont know ANYTHING, again, backed up by your ENDLESS stream of socialist drivel

I have been around the world son, i have seen [censored] you couldnt even IMAGINE

join the military, you might grow up and learn something.

and the lies just keep on comming

is there a way to ignore this douche bag?

What exactly did I lie about, Douche bag?

so is fine that he is wrong, everytime, a LIAR, refuses to admitt he is wrong, even when proven so, and every single thing he THINKS he knows comes out of textbooks because he has no life experiences deeper than wanking, so long as he is NICE?

jeez, no wonder you are a liberal, you live in a fantasy world too!

the german system, the english system, the canadian system, they all suck ass and (here is another LIE from the little deleted) it comes at a HUGE cost, in taxes

LISTEN UP IDIOTS

NOTHING is free

canadians in america looking for healthcare.

blah blah blah

http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/04/14/health-care-around-the-world-france/

the highlights:

However, France utilizes more market-based ideas than most people realized.

AH,THE SECRET TO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE IS TO USE FREE MARKET IDEA? COOL, WE ARE ALREADY FREE MARKET.


Copayment rates for most services are 10%-40%.

40% COPAY??? THAT AINT FREE

French residents have complementary private health insurance.

SO THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE PRIVATE INSURACE

Cost. France is the third most expensive health care system (~11% of GDP). While the system has generally been well funded, in 2005 the health care system ran a €11.6 billion deficit and in 2006 the health care system had a €10.3 billion deficit. No centrally planned health insurance system will be immune from occasional (or even frequent) deficits.

IT STILL RUNS DEFICITS, ERGO, BAD IDEA

Funding. Most of the funding is from a 13.55% payroll tax (employers pay 12.8%, individuals pay 0.75%). There is a 5.25% general social contribution tax on income as well. Thus, there is an approximately a 18.8% on employees for health insurance. There are also dedicated taxes which are assessed on tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical company revenues.

TAXES TAXES TAXES TAXES. THAT STUNTS THE ECONOMY

Physician Compensation. The average French doctor earns only €40,000

WHICH IS HOW I KNOW THIER DOCTORS SUCK

Technology. The government does not reimburse new technologies very generously and because of global budgets and fee restrictions, there is little incentive to make capital investments in medical technology.

UNLIKE THE US, WHER WE HAVE THE CUTTING EDGE IN TECH


NO THANKS, I WILL TAKE THE US SYSTEM

wow, what a logical and impressive reply.

I smell Troll, and i think it's name is deepatsea

i posted FACTS
you posted 324 emoticons

yeah, i am pretty sure you are a troll.

or at the very least, troll-ish

WHICH IS HOW I KNOW THIER DOCTORS SUCK

...

UNLIKE THE US, WHER WE HAVE THE CUTTING EDGE IN TECH


NO THANKS, I WILL TAKE THE US SYSTEM

my new good friend, can you explain how it's possible that french live 3 years more than the americans?
if the care system is better in the usa?

life expectancy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

infant mortality rate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

Cross-country comparisons:

<--- click here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_systems



AMERICAN CARE SYSTEM IS RIDICULOUS, GO OBAMA!!!!

ps/ in france, we drink a lot of alcohol, we smoke a lot of tobacco, we f*ck a lot, we are all the time unpleasant and we drive too fast our car ... and we live older than you

when someone's reply is VOID of substance and composed solely out of emoticons? thats troll-ish

or do you disagree?

this:
"Well since when is someones qualification determined by how much he's paid?"

Basic human nature, the best and brightest seek rewards equal to thier effort. If you remove the rewards, then you will no longer get the best and brightest. When doctors make as much as maids, even maids can be doctors

you want that?

Also:
"Cutting edge doesn't nessecary means that a country will come out ahead"

no it just means that the patient will have an astronomically bigger chance of survival and recovery with the latest tech at the doctors disposal.

an internet term for a person who willfully, through obscene, offensive or hateful actions (a.k.a. "trolling"), attempts to disrupt a community or garner reactions, attention and controversy.

Well, the French drink a lot of red wine. And red wine contains antioxidants that help people live longer.

my new good friend, can you explain how it's possible that french live 3 years more than the americans?
if the care system is better in the usa?

life expectancy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

infant mortality rate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

Cross-country comparisons:

<--- click here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_systems



AMERICAN CARE SYSTEM IS RIDICULOUS, GO OBAMA!!!!

ps/ in france, we drink a lot of alcohol, we smoke a lot of tobacco, we f*ck a lot, we are all the time unpleasant and we drive too fast our car ... and we live older than you

thats easy a relatively small population in a country with almost no industry, clean environment, and a good diet.

the wimpy health care system has little tonothing to do with it

the us numbers are driven down becasue they include the illegal aliens from mexico who have endemic health problems, plus, we have alarger population with a larger industrial base.

bigger populations mean more sick people to screw the numbers and industry means polution.

again, the lack of substance in your responses is trollish. No wonder you guys surrender at the first sign of adversity. You simply have no concept of "fighting back"

go have some cheese, and wine, and enjoy your muslim riots Pierre

Gee, delta, "complete ignorance and non-existing knowledge about anything at all"

way to make yourself look like a complete ass.

tell you what, you stick to your countries that are the size of a piece of paper, and have a population smaller than my FAMILY.

you Euro types just dont "get it" when it comes to a truly LARGE nation, since there are none in Europe.

THings that work, even that work well in smaller populations simply DONT WORK on larger ones.

canadians in america looking for healthcare.

you lose.

canada, 20% higher mortality rate from curable cancer, like prostate, due to rationing of care

you lose.

http://amusinghistorymusings.blogspot.com/2009/08/english-and-canadian-system.html



Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections Tens of thousands with chronic back pain will be forced to live in agony after a decision to slash the number of painkilling injections issued on the NHS, doctors have warned. By Laura Donnelly, Health Correspondent Published: 7:45AM BST 02 Aug 2009, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/health...injections.html, accessed 3 August 2009

A 9-month wait for arthritis treatment: Delay can mean a lifetime of agony for victims &#150; Danile Martin, Daily Mail [(UK)] accessed 17 July 2009

Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE - April 29, 2009 [Daily Mail (UK)]

Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage- David Rose, April 23, 2009 [Times Online] Latest figures show that the problem persists. At least 43,000 operations were cancelled in the first nine months of 2008-09, with nearly 1,800 patients not being treated within 28 days of their original scheduled date.

Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait- Lyndsay Moss, March 21, 2009 [The Scotsman]

Culture of targets prevents nurses from tending to patients- Claire Rayner, President of the Patients Association, March 21, 2009 [Telegraph UK]

Failing hospital 'caused deaths'- March 17, 2009 [BBC]

1,000 villagers wait for a dentist after just one NHS practice opens- March 10, 2009 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Disabled children wait up to two years for wheelchairs- March 4, 2009 [Guardian Unlimited] The survey showed 58% of children in England had to wait at least three months for an electric wheelchair and 14% waited more than six months.

NHS under fire over waiting times- February 25, 2009 [The Scotsman]

Hundreds of operations cancelled at Lothian hospitals- Adam Morris, February 19, 2009 [The Scotsman]

Stop asking for antibiotics to cure coughs and colds, Government tells patients- Daniel Martin, February 17, 2009 [Daily Mail(UK)]

13. The NHS wins when its patients die -Charles Moore, 03 Jan 2009 [Telegraph]

Top doctors slam NHS drug rationing- Sarah-Kate Templeton, August 24, 2008 [The Times]

Heart patients dying due to poor hospital care, says report- Sarah Boseley, June 8, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

NHS dentistry loses almost a million patients after new dentists' contract- David Rose, June 6, 2008 [The Times]

NHS scandal: dying cancer victim was forced to pay- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 1, 2008 [The Times] A woman dying of cancer was denied free National Health Service treatment in her final months because she had paid privately for a drug to try to prolong her life.

Women in labour turned away by maternity units- John Carvel, March 21, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited] Women in labour are being refused entry to overstretched maternity units and told to give birth elsewhere,

Patient 'removed' from waiting list to meet target- January 31, 2008 [The Scotsman] A LOTHIAN woman was told she was being taken off a consultant's waiting list so the target 18-week waiting time for treatment could be met, it was claimed today.

NHS patients told to treat themselves- James Kirkup, January 4, 2008 [Telegraph UK]

NHS 'con' row over claim 100K patients removed from hospital waiting lists --Lachlan Mackinnon, Nov 26, 2008 [Daily Record]

Hernia patient's waiting list agony: Patient 'removed' from waiting list to meet target RUTH ARMSTRONG Health Reporter, October 31, 2003 [Evening News - Scotland ]

NHS rationing rife, say doctors- September 24, 2007 [BBC] Rationing of NHS treatments is becoming more widespread, a survey of GPs and hospital doctors suggests.

Damning report reveals NHS Agenda For Change that cost tens of billions hasn't resulted in better productivity By Jenny Hope 18th June 2009 Daily Mail
A flagship pay deal for more than a million NHS staff has not resulted in promised savings or better productivity, says a damning official report. Instead productivity levels fell by 2.5 per cent on average a year between 2001 and 2005, according to the Commons Public Accounts Committee.

Sex change ops on the NHS have trebled... since the procedure became a 'right' By Stephanie Condron 28th June 2009 Daily Mail The number of people having sex-change operations on the NHS each year has almost trebled since the procedure became a &#145;right&#146;.

Fury as NHS trust says only women between 39.5 and 40 years old can have IVF By Daniel Martin 28th June 2009 Daily Mail Infertile women have been told they can only have IVF treatment if they are aged between 39 and a half and 40.

Pensioner, 76, forced to pull out own teeth after 12 NHS dentists refuse to treat her By OLINKA KOSTER, 04 April 2008 , Daily Mail
A grandmother performed her own tooth extractions in despair after being turned away by 12 dentists. Elizabeth Green, 76, was in agony with two front teeth and after a fruitless search for an NHS practitioner, resorted to DIY. Her case is the latest of many to highlight the dwindling availability of NHS dental treatment. Mrs Green, a former chef, said it was made plain to her that if she could pay for treatment she would have been welcomed.

Three million unable to find a dentist on the NHS By Jenny Hope 16th June 2009 Daily Mail
Three million people tried to find an NHS dentist in the last two years and failed, a survey reveals. And a further 4.5million did not even bother to look for one, having been put off by past experiences.

NHS 'to cut treatments' as it faces record £15million funding shortfall By Caroline Grant 10th June 2009 Daily Mail Tight squeeze: The NHS is facing a funding shortfall of £15m and is in need of urgent changes, according to a report The NHS is on the verge of the biggest financial shortfall in its history and cannot survive without major changes, according to an influential report. The shortfall means a cut in staff numbers is unavoidable and it may be time for a cap on the budget for new drugs to be considered.

Gobsmacked! Unable to see a dentist, pensioner says she's told to fix broken tooth herself By Daily Mail Reporter 22nd May 2008
When the cap came off Ellen Drake's tooth she thought a few calls to a dentist would soon sort it out. But after three months of trying, and failing, to get an appointment the 66-year-old pensioner was so angry with the DIY advice she says she was given that she fired off a letter to the Prime Minister.

British dental care is the most expensive in Europe 10 January 2008 Daily Mail
Dental treatment in England is the most expensive in Europe, a damning report has revealed. Getting a filling can cost up to 19 times more than in other EU countries, the survey found. The procedure costs £117 on average here compared to £6 in Hungary, the cheapest European country.

Pensioner left with screwdriver lodged in lung after being forced to go to Hungary for cheaper dental treatment By Daily Mail Reporter 8th September 2008 Daily Mail
A pensioner forced to travel to Hungary for dental treatment told today how she ended up with a screwdriver lodged in her lung. Mary Reilly went abroad to have £15,000 worth of work after private dentists in the UK quoted her twice the price.

Patients at risk from 'unsafe' NHS trusts Owen Bowcott The Guardian Friday 3 July 2009 Patient safety has been put at risk through "disastrously unsafe care" in a handful of NHS trusts, and insufficient progress is being made in improving services, a critical parliamentary study warns today. As many as one in 10 patients who enter hospital may suffer harm, the Commons health select committee reports, while annual payouts for NHS medical negligence have climbed to more than £630m.

Cancer patients told life-prolonging treatment is too expensive for NHS- Lyndsay Moss, February 13, 2007 [The Scotsman]

Secret NHS plan to ration patient care- Nigel Hawkes, April 7, 2006 [The Times] Documents given to The Times show that while ministers promise patients choice, a series of barriers are being erected limiting GPs&#146; rights to refer people to consultants.

A Hard Lesson About Socialized MedicineEuropeans are now learning some hard facts of life about socialized medicine: there's no such thing as a free lunch.- September 23, 1996 [CATO] the European welfare states are slashing benefits in the face of rising health care costs.



And if these are not enough examples of the death system in existence in Britain, click here for another dozen or more. Source: Neoperspective.com


case closed, you lose

Gee, delta, "complete ignorance and non-existing knowledge about anything at all"

way to make yourself look like a complete ass.

tell you what, you stick to your countries that are the size of a piece of paper, and have a population smaller than my FAMILY.

you Euro types just dont "get it" when it comes to a truly LARGE nation, since there are none in Europe.

THings that work, even that work well in smaller populations simply DONT WORK on larger ones.

sure what the hell it is still unproven, unsuppoeted, and unbelievable.

your case that is. but have a good french day!

Why is it unbelievable? Because Rush told you so?

Because Grubber is saying the exact things that Conservatives like Hannity & Rush constantly spread among the population.

I'm not trying to force anything on you but when you see people calling Europe a "soft-tyranny" and describe them as evil socialists and talk about how their Health Care system doesn't work, then I have a problem with that because it's utter Bullshit. It's simply not true.
And maybe you think it's okay for false facts to be spread if it fits your beliefs, but I'm not, and sadly most Americans couldn't tell you the type of government or even the name of the head of state of any European country so they believe this Bullshit that is spread.

The only reason why the majority of American's don't want it is because of scare tactics, wrong rumors, unclear messages, and the extreme interpretations of the bill.

Because Grubber is saying the exact things that Conservatives like Hannity & Rush constantly spread among the population.

I'm not trying to force anything on you but when you see people calling Europe a "soft-tyranny" and describe them as evil socialists and talk about how their Health Care system doesn't work, then I have a problem with that because it's utter Bullshit. It's simply not true.
And maybe you think it's okay for false facts to be spread if it fits your beliefs, but I'm not, and sadly most Americans couldn't tell you the type of government or even the name of the head of state of any European country so they believe this Bullshit that is spread.

The only reason why the majority of American's don't want it is because of scare tactics, wrong rumors, unclear messages, and the extreme interpretations of the bill.

Because Grubber is saying the exact things that Conservatives like Hannity & Rush constantly spread among the population.

I'm not trying to force anything on you but when you see people calling Europe a "soft-tyranny" and describe them as evil socialists and talk about how their Health Care system doesn't work, then I have a problem with that because it's utter Bullshit. It's simply not true.
And maybe you think it's okay for false facts to be spread if it fits your beliefs, but I'm not, and sadly most Americans couldn't tell you the type of government or even the name of the head of state of any European country so they believe this Bullshit that is spread.

The only reason why the majority of American's don't want it is because of scare tactics, wrong rumors, unclear messages, and the extreme interpretations of the bill.

The only reason why the majority of American's don't want it is because of scare tactics, wrong rumors, unclear messages, and the extreme interpretations of the bill.

for that matter, i am done talking to europeans about american politics.

for one, its not thier business, for two, they never can resist the urge to talk trash about thier betters, and yes, America is your Better, Europe

for three, they are all idiots

for four, no one cares what europeans think anyway

For one, how is it none of my business? I F@CKING LIVE HERE!!!!!

For two, there is no urge to talk trash, there is the urge to correct somebody like that thinks that the US is perfect.

For three, clearly so since out school systems are better and the US has greatly benefited from European immigrants.
AMERICANS ARE DESCENDANTS FROM EUROPEANS!!!!!! Are you really that dumb that you call your ancestors, including the peole who wrote the Constitution, idiot?

For four, how about all the European leave the US? How about Europe stops supplying the US with goods? No more quality luxury cars, no more good steel, no more European delicatessen, no more Newspaper printing machines, no more Pharmaceudicals like Aspirin, no more European tourists, no more Chemicals that the US needs, and the list goes on.

And it is that attitude that led not to thousands of Americans dying in Iraq. Don't listen to the European who told you not to go or the ones who tell you to have a fool proof exit strategy. Look what the result was!

Everybody here knows that you're done talking to Europeans because they're more capable of forming a valid argument and behaving civil in a debate than you.

For one, how is it none of my business? I F@CKING LIVE HERE!!!!!

For two, there is no urge to talk trash, there is the urge to correct somebody like that thinks that the US is perfect.

For three, clearly so since out school systems are better and the US has greatly benefited from European immigrants.
AMERICANS ARE DESCENDANTS FROM EUROPEANS!!!!!! Are you really that dumb that you call your ancestors, including the peole who wrote the Constitution, idiot?

For four, how about all the European leave the US? How about Europe stops supplying the US with goods? No more quality luxury cars, no more good steel, no more European delicatessen, no more Newspaper printing machines, no more Pharmaceudicals like Aspirin, no more European tourists, no more Chemicals that the US needs, and the list goes on.

And it is that attitude that led not to thousands of Americans dying in Iraq. Don't listen to the European who told you not to go or the ones who tell you to have a fool proof exit strategy. Look what the result was!

Everybody here knows that you're done talking to Europeans because they're more capable of forming a valid argument and behaving civil in a debate than you.

Yes, I guess so.
I've tried to get him to debate with me in a civilized matter but I'm giving up...

45,000 American people die each year because they don't qualify for or can't afford insurance. And the Republicans are fine with this. This is "the greatest healthcare in the world" according to them.

Who are those 45,000? What are the stats? What'd they die of? Show us some stats. You throw them out, show us.

Still no hard stats.

And you can

you fuqqin' baiting troll!

yet everything i said was factually true

wow, what a logical and impressive reply.

I smell Troll, and i think it's name is deepatsea

Sry - I have to disagree ... I think it's the sex and the less violent culture

...

mainly the sex.

Leave it up to the Master Instigator (troll) like Angantyr to drudge up a thread like this. He couldn't resist fanning the fires some more.

it's funny to be qualified to be a troll by grubber and texasblue

you fuqqin' baiting troll!

I think you are ignoring the fact that I was coming to the defence of another member who was the victing of Grubber's trolling. Nice to know that you still defend racist, ignorant flamers, Tex.

Like Ahnold said in Terminator I;

Fuq u, @sshole.