Science uses logic, it is logic based on evidence.
Hogwash.
Ignorance.
Originally Posted By: MileysSlave
Why don't you believe that repetition is convincing? You keep repeating your ad hominem attacks.
Ad hominem means "to the man" where you attack the person rather than the argument they are making. Where have I made ad hominem attacks? I'm demonstrating how you presuppose your answer and then use faulty logic to support it then ignore all the evidence.
Originally Posted By: MieysSlave
Would substituting for valid arguments be one of them?
Yes it would, feel free to start substituting your tired non-arguments for valid arguments any time you are ready
Edited by matt75 (08/14/0904:24 AM)
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Matt, with all due respect, I believe your description of "a world where all beliefs are equal" is completely impossible...because in the end, someone has to be right, and someone has to be wrong. Many of the different world religions have inherent theological and/or moral clashes that cannot be reconciled. For example...
1) Mormonism and Hinduism each have millions of gods (in different aspects), yet share none.
2) Hindus and Mahayana Buddhists worship images and idols, while Muslims would seek to destroy every idol.
3) Most would think that all religions would at least teach love and respect for one's own family, but the Buddha permanently abandoned his wife and child in his personal quest. He even named his son Ra-Hul, meaning "obstacle".
4) According to the Koran, Mohammed put to the sword innocent travelers who he labeled "infidels", because they resisted robbery and conversion to Islam. He also violated his own peace treaties during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. By contrast, the Bible says that Jesus prayed for the very Roman soldiers who were crucifying Him at Golgotha, saying "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
My point is that in truth, all religions do not teach the same things, and because of that they can never be completely equal. It's impossible to claim otherwise and still maintain any degree of personal integrity.
How about a rational world where society is based on evidence? You guys would be utterly screwed in a world like that
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4) According to the Koran, Mohammed put to the sword innocent travelers who he labeled "infidels", because they resisted robbery and conversion to Islam. He also violated his own peace treaties during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
I have extensive knowledge on Islam, and I can safely say that is all incorrect.
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How was he so sure that Jesus saved him? Why not Buddha? Or Mohammed?
He looked at their followers plus how they live and realized that they're cursed and not blessed by God.
Yet Buddhists believe that men should do good deeds for the world so they can seek enlightenment, yet your brand of Christians believe that faith alone saves you no matter how horrid you behave, I know which one I would curse if I was God.
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He looked at their followers plus how they live and realized that they're cursed and not blessed by God.
What makes you believe they are cursed?
He is a bigot. His faith teaches him that all other faiths are sinful and their follows damned.
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belief in God isn't always based on that principle. I know God exists because wherever you look, you see traces and marks of his creation. [/color]
Ah, but that's the thing. You don't know that YHWH exists, you believe he exists. Belief and knowing are not the same thing. I mean, we cannot know that the Buddha or Woden exist either.
And I am personally anti-Christianity but not anti-Christians, far from it. I can respect Mormonism, Gnostic Christians and very liberal Christians because they are more tolerant than teh conservative Christians and fundamentalist Christians who, I believe, are one of the main reasons why the world is a shitpile.
I respect the belief in YHWH, even if when reading the Bible he just came across as a bully and an a demon (or as I prefer ''Asura'') to me, but I hate it when fundies shove this belief, which is personally abhorrent to me and others, down other peoples throats; our friend EE_EE here is the type that loves to shove religion down the collective throats of non-Christians, whereas a few other Christian members here do not.
As for Matt's thread, it is highly valid just as the arguments of Bertrand Russell, a philosophical hero of mine, are valid. Criticism of Christianity is a valid philosophical pursuit and should not be censored.
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Originally Posted By: matt75
How about a rational world where society is based on evidence?
What you might call "rational" is concept entirely founded on the fallible human intellect, and that will only take a person to a certain point. Beyond that, faith must come into play. As for "evidence", I believe there is plenty of it, in nature and all that has been created.
It's like two men looking over the Grand Canyon; one says, "Look at what God had done!", while the other just muses, "To think the Colorado River carved this over millions of years..." It rarely - if ever - crosses the evolutionist's mind that the Coloraod River actually runs in the opposite direction, away from the lower side. Despite whatever data anyone may come up with, the visual and observable fact remains that rivers do not run uphill. Thus, the Colorado River could never have formed the Grand Canyon. And yet, there's still many people today who insist that it did, even though the visual facts contradict it. I'd suggest the same is true about the evolution/creation conflict in total, albeit on a much larger scale.
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Originally Posted By: Angantyr
As for Matt's thread, it is highly valid just as the arguments of Bertrand Russell, a philosophical hero of mine, are valid. Criticism of Christianity is a valid philosophical pursuit and should not be censored.
I have nothing against Matt voicing his opinions, so long as he does so with common decency and respect. I don't appreciate being called a liar or bigot, both of which Matt has called myself and others. I don't carelessly throw insults around when I disagree with someone, and I expect the same treatment in return.
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As for Matt's thread, it is highly valid just as the arguments of Bertrand Russell, a philosophical hero of mine, are valid. Criticism of Christianity is a valid philosophical pursuit and should not be censored.
I have nothing against Matt voicing his opinions, so long as he does so with common decency and respect. I don't appreciate being called a liar or bigot, both of which Matt has called myself and others. I don't carelessly throw insults around when I disagree with someone, and I expect the same treatment in return.
That is the thing, Matt is not doing that here and from my own experiences on this board, Matt only dishes out ''insults'' to people that deserve it such as EE. If Christians can not accept being branded as intolerant or bigotted, then they should not post anything that suggests they are.
And ''bigot'' simply means ''by god'', by the way. If someone lives his life by the Bible and believes in everything the Bible tells them, then they are, technically, bigots.
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I do, somewhat. His fanatical rants, rampant bigotry, and disgusting level of utter hatred border on parody.
In many ways I hope he is parpdying religious fanatics because it is hard to believe that someone as fanatical and hateful would post on this forum. EE is a truly disturbed and psychotic individual and I cannot conceive of anyone else on this forum actually liking the little bugger.
Edited by Angantyr (08/14/0911:43 AM)
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