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#2041878 - 07/03/09 08:33 PM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: matt75]
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Originally Posted By: matt75
The deniers are still a very small minority. Tell me dblboggie, do you adhere to the young earth model because there happen to be a handle of genuinely qualified scientists working for The Discovery Institute?

Here are some joint statements.

http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619


And they are growing every day.

As for your links... as soon as I saw IPCC I stopped reading.

More of the junk science that is being passed off as legitimate because their peers are on board with this agenda. Scientists are people too... and human nature will not be denied - I don't care how freakin smart you think you are - human nature will win out.

That said, what is this "young earth model" you speak of?

I cannot say that I am familiar with this - what ever it is. Is it some kind of religious thing?

Beyond that, I don't "believe" anything. I currently accept, as the almost certain truth, the generally accepted science on the subject of the earth and its age.
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#2041885 - 07/03/09 08:36 PM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: matt75
The deniers are still a very small minority. Tell me dblboggie, do you adhere to the young earth model because there happen to be a handle of genuinely qualified scientists working for The Discovery Institute?

Here are some joint statements.

http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619


And they are growing every day.

As for your links... as soon as I saw IPCC I stopped reading.

More of the junk science that is being passed off as legitimate because their peers are on board with this agenda. Scientists are people too... and human nature will not be denied - I don't care how freakin smart you think you are - human nature will win out.

That said, what is this "young earth model" you speak of?

I cannot say that I am familiar with this - what ever it is. Is it some kind of religious thing?

Beyond that, I don't "believe" anything. I currently accept, as the almost certain truth, the generally accepted science on the subject of the earth and its age.
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#2041903 - 07/03/09 08:43 PM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: Moonman]
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Originally Posted By: Moonman
Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: matt75
The deniers are still a very small minority. Tell me dblboggie, do you adhere to the young earth model because there happen to be a handle of genuinely qualified scientists working for The Discovery Institute?

Here are some joint statements.

http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619


And they are growing every day.

As for your links... as soon as I saw IPCC I stopped reading.

More of the junk science that is being passed off as legitimate because their peers are on board with this agenda. Scientists are people too... and human nature will not be denied - I don't care how freakin smart you think you are - human nature will win out.

That said, what is this "young earth model" you speak of?

I cannot say that I am familiar with this - what ever it is. Is it some kind of religious thing?

Beyond that, I don't "believe" anything. I currently accept, as the almost certain truth, the generally accepted science on the subject of the earth and its age.
nod
Cause boggie is almost as old as dirt himself. whistle nana


giggle Yeah.... well.... that too.... smirk
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#2042004 - 07/03/09 09:37 PM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: Moonman
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giggle Yeah.... well.... that too.... smirk
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#2042007 - 07/03/09 09:38 PM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: matt75
The deniers are still a very small minority. Tell me dblboggie, do you adhere to the young earth model because there happen to be a handle of genuinely qualified scientists working for The Discovery Institute?

Here are some joint statements.

http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619


And they are growing every day.

As for your links... as soon as I saw IPCC I stopped reading.

More of the junk science that is being passed off as legitimate because their peers are on board with this agenda. Scientists are people too... and human nature will not be denied - I don't care how freakin smart you think you are - human nature will win out.

That said, what is this "young earth model" you speak of?

I cannot say that I am familiar with this - what ever it is. Is it some kind of religious thing?

Beyond that, I don't "believe" anything. I currently accept, as the almost certain truth, the generally accepted science on the subject of the earth and its age.


Scientific opinions seem to come and go, don't they? There are qualified experts on both camps of this issue.

How come?

If both groups of accomplished experts hold diametrically opposed points of view, how objective are they? I'm thinking as much as the pockets of the ones paying their respective research, perhaps?

I am not interested nor concerned with Global Warming issues. But if you catch my drift, this is but a token of the "objectivity" of the scientific community.

The same community that mocks those who don't take as sacred their every utterance.
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#2042374 - 07/04/09 02:38 AM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: matt75
The deniers are still a very small minority. Tell me dblboggie, do you adhere to the young earth model because there happen to be a handle of genuinely qualified scientists working for The Discovery Institute?

Here are some joint statements.

http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619


And they are growing every day.

As for your links... as soon as I saw IPCC I stopped reading.

More of the junk science that is being passed off as legitimate because their peers are on board with this agenda. Scientists are people too... and human nature will not be denied - I don't care how freakin smart you think you are - human nature will win out.

That said, what is this "young earth model" you speak of?

I cannot say that I am familiar with this - what ever it is. Is it some kind of religious thing?

Beyond that, I don't "believe" anything. I currently accept, as the almost certain truth, the generally accepted science on the subject of the earth and its age.


Well then I ask you this again:

What about all the other Scientists that prove GLobal Warming day in and day out that are in no way shape or form linked to any kind of Poilitics?
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#2042429 - 07/04/09 03:59 AM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
That said, what is this "young earth model" you speak of?

There are people who take Genesis as literally true. Some of them have genuine qualifications and think they can prove the existence of their god in a test tube. They also think that the planet is nut much more than 6,000 years old. They are, like climate change deniers, a very small minority. And like climate change deniers they make a dispropotionate amount of noise.
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Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
I can say the very same thing about Darwin making up stuff as well.

Niether you or I were around even in Darwin's time.

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#2042433 - 07/04/09 04:05 AM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: bubblebliss]
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Originally Posted By: bubblebliss
What about all the other Scientists that prove GLobal Warming day in and day out that are in no way shape or form linked to any kind of Poilitics?

Like these organisations with no doubts hundreds or thousands of members.
* Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Bazil)
* Royal Society of Canada
* Chinese Academy of Sciences
* Academié des Sciences (France)
* Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
* Indian National Science Academy
* Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
* Science Council of Japan
* Russian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Society (United Kingdom)
* National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
* Australian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
* Caribbean Academy of Sciences
* Indonesian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Irish Academy
* Academy of Sciences Malaysia
* Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
* Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
* NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
* National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
* National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
* State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)
* Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
* Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)
* American Geophysical Union (AGU)
* American Institute of Physics (AIP)
* National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
* American Meteorological Society (AMS)
* Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)

Yet the deniers keep claiming "THERE IS NO CONSENSUS!"


Edited by matt75 (07/04/09 04:06 AM)
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Originally Posted By: 1oldminer
I can say the very same thing about Darwin making up stuff as well.

Niether you or I were around even in Darwin's time.

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#2042684 - 07/04/09 10:42 AM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: matt75]
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Originally Posted By: matt75
Originally Posted By: dblboggie
That said, what is this "young earth model" you speak of?

There are people who take Genesis as literally true. Some of them have genuine qualifications and think they can prove the existence of their god in a test tube. They also think that the planet is nut much more than 6,000 years old. They are, like climate change deniers, a very small minority. And like climate change deniers they make a dispropotionate amount of noise.


Ah... I see. Then no, I'm not a young-earth "believer" - actually, I'm not a believer at all.

And unlike young-earthers, there is scientific (real science, not the made up kind of young-earthers) evidence that AGW is GW minus the A causation. And some even question the GW part.

And I, for one, am inclined to accept the lack of GW as I sit here on this cool July morning and type this... smirk
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#2042849 - 07/04/09 01:09 PM Re: Suppressed EPA scientist breaks silence, speaks on Fox News [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie



And I, for one, am inclined to accept the lack of GW as I sit here on this cool July morning and type this... smirk


It is statements like this that show that most Global Warming deniers have no clue what Global Warming causes.

"It's cold here in the summer, so how is it GLobal Warming?"

People don't understand that just because the earth's temperature is rising, the weather doesn't get hotter.

Surface temperature can bring a huge change in weather patterns and could potentially lead to snow in the middle of the summer.

The most notable effect we'll be seeing, or are already seeing, is that dry areas are going to get drier while wet areas will be wetter.

Africa and Australia have been plagued with droughts even to the point that rivers have dried out that used to supply whole villages and towns with water. Australia is really getting it bad in the Darwin Basin, where the river that supplied local farmers with water is completely dried out.

So, again, Global Warming does NOT cause the weather to become hotter.
If you think so, it shows that you have Zero knowledge about the topic.

I think the Global Warming deniers only refuse to see the evidence in Global Warming because that way they can keep their ignorant lifestyle that they've been living in this country for so long.
Nobody walks to the store, everybody drives everywhere. There's poor public transportation unless you're in a big city.
America was built relying on cars.
But sooner or later, the Oil will run out and America is just going to be up the creek.
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