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#2038051 - 07/01/09 04:30 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: cable2]
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There's no mention of Palestinian unlawfulness from you people either.

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#2038062 - 07/01/09 04:35 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: cable2]
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 1, 2009
CONTACT: Free Gaza Movement

We are NOT the “Story”, It’s Not Just Our 21 Kidnapped Passengers

International - July 1 - On June 30th 2009 Israeli Occupation Forces forcibly boarded the Free Gaza boat, SPIRIT OF HUMANITY, and kidnapped 21 human rights workers and journalists who were on their way to deliver much needed humanitarian and reconstruction supplies to besieged Gaza. Those abducted by Israel include Nobel peace prize laureate Mairead Maguire and former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney.

Since their kidnapping, tens-of-thousands of people around the world have mobilized to demand their immediate and unconditional release. The Free Gaza Movement would like to thank everyone who has made a phone call, sent a fax or email, written a letter, or organized a demonstration on behalf of our 21 imprisoned friends.

With respect, it is not enough. We are not the story. Since its founding in 1948 the State of Israel has regularly kidnapped and tortured Palestinians, throwing them into forgotten prisons where they can languish for years. Today, over 11,000 Palestinian political prisoners without benefit of due process, some never even charged - men, women, and children - endure torture and isolation in Israeli jails, outdoor prison camps, and secret black sites. They come from all walks of life: doctors, journalists, parliamentarians, workers, resistance fighters, homemakers, students and others. They are our sisters and brothers.

The 21 passengers aboard the Spirit of Humanity have been illegally incarcerated for their solidarity work with Palestine. 11,000 other members of our common human family are already imprisoned simply for being Palestinian.

The Siege of Palestine is not simply the physical blockade against Gaza. The Siege includes the hundreds of checkpoints throughout the West Bank that separate families and communities and shatter any prospect for a viable Palestinian state. The Siege includes the millions of Palestinians in Diaspora, many of them dumped in squalid refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon and elsewhere. The Siege is ever-present throughout all aspects of Palestinian life.

This Siege is only strengthened when we pay more attention to the injustice done to 21 international solidarity workers than we do to the much greater injustices already being committed against millions of Palestinians.

We in the Free Gaza Movement implore all the good people around the world who have working so hard to secure the release of our friends to "adopt" a Palestinian prisoner. We ask you to learn about the crisis and take on the cause of an individual prisoner as your own.

Break the Siege! Reach out to Palestine!

For more information, please visit FreeGaza.org, as well as the following prisoner information websites:

* http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=7209&CategoryId=4
* http://sumoud.tao.ca/?q=node/view/76
* http://palestinianprisoners.blogspot.com/2009/04/palestinian-prisoners-families-protest_27.html
* http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Detainees_and_Prisoners.asp
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David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

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#2038087 - 07/01/09 04:48 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: TexasBlue]
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Originally Posted By: TexasBlue
There's no mention of Palestinian unlawfulness from you people either.

which unlawful acts from the Palestinian nation or state would you like me to talk about ????????????????????????

mayhap it's their right of self-defense you is asking about ?????????????

or mayhap you is asking about the many of the small military groups who over step the rule of law in their attempt to bring Israel's illegal occupation to an end............ if so then you will hear me say ALL must act with in the rule of law and that one crime doesn't excuse any other crime
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David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

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#2038551 - 07/01/09 09:11 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: cable2]
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#2038675 - 07/01/09 09:57 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: cable2]
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Originally Posted By: cable2
Originally Posted By: TexasBlue
There's no mention of Palestinian unlawfulness from you people either.

which unlawful acts from the Palestinian nation or state would you like me to talk about ????????????????????????

mayhap it's their right of self-defense you is asking about ?????????????

or mayhap you is asking about the many of the small military groups who over step the rule of law in their attempt to bring Israel's illegal occupation to an end............ if so then you will hear me say ALL must act with in the rule of law and that one crime doesn't excuse any other crime


Wow... it just never stops with the left. Moral relativism is is full blossom in your post cable.

I honestly just don't get it. One the one side, you have an Arab population being brutally suppressed by their leadership - a leadership that had MANY opportunities to achieve a lasting peace with their neighbor, Israel, only to turn them down to salvage their power... and a representative form of government (the only in that region) completely surrounded by countries ruled by a religion that compels their adherents to kill them to a man, that is just trying to stay alive as a nation of free people.

And all you can do is defend a terrorist nation over a nation with a representative government.

Just amazing... the amount of propaganda you must consume daily is really showing cable.

I'll bet you don't even know that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" or a "Palestinian" state in history.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. no
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#2038943 - 07/01/09 11:50 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: cable2
Originally Posted By: TexasBlue
There's no mention of Palestinian unlawfulness from you people either.

which unlawful acts from the Palestinian nation or state would you like me to talk about ????????????????????????

mayhap it's their right of self-defense you is asking about ?????????????

or mayhap you is asking about the many of the small military groups who over step the rule of law in their attempt to bring Israel's illegal occupation to an end............ if so then you will hear me say ALL must act with in the rule of law and that one crime doesn't excuse any other crime


Wow... it just never stops with the left. Moral relativism is is full blossom in your post cable.

I honestly just don't get it. One the one side, you have an Arab population being brutally suppressed by their leadership - a leadership that had MANY opportunities to achieve a lasting peace with their neighbor, Israel, only to turn them down to salvage their power... and a representative form of government (the only in that region) completely surrounded by countries ruled by a religion that compels their adherents to kill them to a man, that is just trying to stay alive as a nation of free people.

And all you can do is defend a terrorist nation over a nation with a representative government.

Just amazing... the amount of propaganda you must consume daily is really showing cable.

I'll bet you don't even know that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" or a "Palestinian" state in history.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. no


I agree, but that doesn't give Israel the right to violate international law.
Even you can't disagree with that. I think everybody knows two wrong don't make a right!

Israel is a highly complicated issue that when discussed has to be traced back to history.
Palestinians and Jews claim that it is their rightful land, that's where the problem starts, but does not end for a long run!
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"A really great man is known by three signs: generosity in the design, humanity in the execution, moderation in success"
- Otto von Bismarck

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#2039995 - 07/02/09 07:12 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
I'll bet you don't even know that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" or a "Palestinian" state in history.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. no


A second Jewish revolt in 135 BCE also renamed the country "Israel," and its defeat led the emperor Hadrian to rename Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina. Jews were banned from living there and the Roman province, until then known as Iudaea Province, was renamed to Palaestina.


According to the Jewish Encyclopedia published between 1901-1906:

Palestine extends, from 31° to 33° 20? N. latitude. Its southwest point (at Raphia = Tell Rifah., southwest of Gaza) is about 34° 15? E. longitude, and its northwest point (mouth of the Lit.ani) is at 35° 15? E. longitude, while the course of the Jordan reaches 35° 35? to the east. The west-Jordan country has, consequently, a length of about 150 English miles from north to south, and a breadth of about 23 miles at the north and 80 miles at the south. The area of this region, as measured by the surveyors of the English Palestine Exploration Fund, is about 6,040 square miles. The east-Jordan district is now being surveyed by the German Palästina-Verein, and although the work is not yet completed, its area may be estimated at 4,000 square miles.

Early archeological textual reference to the territory of Palestine is found in the Merneptah Stele, dated c. 1200 BCE,
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David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

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#2040049 - 07/02/09 07:25 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: dblboggie]
cable2 Offline
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: cable2
Originally Posted By: TexasBlue
There's no mention of Palestinian unlawfulness from you people either.

which unlawful acts from the Palestinian nation or state would you like me to talk about ????????????????????????

mayhap it's their right of self-defense you is asking about ?????????????

or mayhap you is asking about the many of the small military groups who over step the rule of law in their attempt to bring Israel's illegal occupation to an end............ if so then you will hear me say ALL must act with in the rule of law and that one crime doesn't excuse any other crime


Wow... it just never stops with the left. Moral relativism is is full blossom in your post cable.




Israel, Hamas deny war crimes claims

By Middle East correspondent Anne Barker

Israel and the militant Hamas group have rejected accusations by Amnesty International that they committed war crimes during the recent conflict in Gaza.

The 117-page report accuses Israel of using excessive force in violation of the international laws of war killing hundreds of Palestinians and destroying thousands of homes.

Amnesty International also accuses Hamas of war crimes every time it fires rockets at Israeli civilians.

Israel has accused Amnesty of succumbing to the manipulations of a terrorist organisation and Hamas has accused it of downplaying the scale of destruction caused by the Israeli bombings.

Around 1,400 Palestinians were killed during the recent bombardment. Thirteen Israelis were killed, including three who died from rocket fire.


Originally Posted By: dblboggie
I honestly just don't get it. One the one side, you have an Arab population being brutally suppressed by their leadership - a leadership that had MANY opportunities to achieve a lasting peace with their neighbor, Israel[b], only to turn them down to salvage their power... and a representative form of government (the only in that region) completely surrounded by countries ruled by a religion that compels their adherents to kill them to a man, that is just trying to stay alive as a nation of free people.

And all you can do is defend a terrorist nation over a nation with a representative government
.


Just amazing... the amount of propaganda you must consume daily is really showing cable.


and you say my left wing propaganda is showing wink
_________________________
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

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#2040268 - 07/02/09 10:19 PM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: bubblebliss]
dblboggie Offline
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Registered: 01/26/05
Posts: 40522
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Originally Posted By: bubblebliss
Originally Posted By: dblboggie
Originally Posted By: cable2
which unlawful acts from the Palestinian nation or state would you like me to talk about ????????????????????????

mayhap it's their right of self-defense you is asking about ?????????????

or mayhap you is asking about the many of the small military groups who over step the rule of law in their attempt to bring Israel's illegal occupation to an end............ if so then you will hear me say ALL must act with in the rule of law and that one crime doesn't excuse any other crime


Wow... it just never stops with the left. Moral relativism is is full blossom in your post cable.

I honestly just don't get it. One the one side, you have an Arab population being brutally suppressed by their leadership - a leadership that had MANY opportunities to achieve a lasting peace with their neighbor, Israel, only to turn them down to salvage their power... and a representative form of government (the only in that region) completely surrounded by countries ruled by a religion that compels their adherents to kill them to a man, that is just trying to stay alive as a nation of free people.

And all you can do is defend a terrorist nation over a nation with a representative government.

Just amazing... the amount of propaganda you must consume daily is really showing cable.

I'll bet you don't even know that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" or a "Palestinian" state in history.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. no


I agree, but that doesn't give Israel the right to violate international law.
Even you can't disagree with that. I think everybody knows two wrong don't make a right!

Israel is a highly complicated issue that when discussed has to be traced back to history.
Palestinians and Jews claim that it is their rightful land, that's where the problem starts, but does not end for a long run!


I am in no way even implying that Israel has any right to violate international law... I am saying that the moral relativism being applied by cable is just breathtakingly repugnant.

It's a A=A thing... it shows a complete inability or unwillingness to recognize between differences, similarities, and identities... there's no distinction, no subtleties, no shades of gray, no "nuance" as the left is so fond of saying.

This is not how the real world works. There's nuance in the real world... there's shades of gray... there bad things and then there's really, REALLY bad things... and the one is NOT just like the other... no Not in the REAL world.

I'm just sick of people trying to MAKE them the same thing by repeating this foul lie over and over and over and over and.... well.... you get the point... smirk
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#2040570 - 07/03/09 12:13 AM Re: Israel Abducts U.S. Congresswoman [Re: dblboggie]
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Originally Posted By: dblboggie

I am in no way even implying that Israel has any right to violate international law... I am saying that the moral relativism being applied by cable is just breathtakingly repugnant.

It's a A=A thing... it shows a complete inability or unwillingness to recognize between differences, similarities, and identities... there's no distinction, no subtleties, no shades of gray, no "nuance" as the left is so fond of saying.

This is not how the real world works. There's nuance in the real world... there's shades of gray... there bad things and then there's really, REALLY bad things... and the one is NOT just like the other... no Not in the REAL world.

I'm just sick of people trying to MAKE them the same thing by repeating this foul lie over and over and over and over and.... well.... you get the point... smirk


Yea, I get your point, I just don't quite understand what you're trying to say.

Do you mean that Israel is doing bad things but groups like Hamas are doing worse things?
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"A really great man is known by three signs: generosity in the design, humanity in the execution, moderation in success"
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