Quote: Which is why most people don't mind us going after al-Qaida... refresh my memory - what does that have to do with installing democracy in Iraq again?
Tell ya what OonGahDooHah, read my post above on this topic. You really should read a thread from the beginning - you might find answers to such silly questions as "what does that have to do with installing democracy in Iraq again?"
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Quote: Since this was a poll, go check the democratic results of it.
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Oh okay thanks for clearing that up, democracy is finished in America and thats why you are still on the internet. Its funny you should mention the results of the poll since there is a battalion of Tiger tanks driving past my house.
First off, go grab a map of the world and do yourselves a favor. North and south of your country, whose name is " The United States of America", there are some +/-20 countries which form what is called a continent. The continent is called: America.
Although it is CORRECT to call citizens of the United States "Americans" it is incorrect to call the U.S. "America" because, simply put, your country IS NOT AMERICA. (unlike Mexico, for example, which does reffer strictly to the country "Estados Unidos Mexicanos") Get it?
And by the way, my country (Costa Rica) is also a democratic republic. So are most others in Modern America. Now that this fact has been brought to your attention, lets go back to the Poll.
The poll shows that the option closest to representing popular opinion on Bush is that he's the worst thing to happen to the U.S. of A..
By design flaw or hyperbole, it says he "is the end of democracy". Such outcome is unlikely, for sure. But the feeling underneath is that of a very sour reality, which not few decide to ignore, or even twist by a flood of words and by quoting White House essays (pressumably as correct as the intel reports showing Hussain had WMDs almost ready for deployment).
As an example of twisting reality:
Quote: You are also clearly not a student of history if you think that 2000 soldiers killed after three years of combat is a high number! I just can’t fathom how anyone, no matter how biased, could see this figure as high! This rate of death was even lower than that of the first Gulf War.
The 2000 have died after the war was declared over and "victory" achieved by President Bush himself. Those are not casualties of the war. They have died in the aftermath of the mess you brought about. Not to mention they died in a war that shouldn't have happened altogether, and did happen based on lies (BULL$HIT) which War supporters now dismiss as a means to a noble end.
If Muslim countries with potential to *eventually* produce WMDs and religious nuts at the helm are a thread to the whole world, how much less so exactly is a country that already has huge arsenals of WMDs, trigger-happy generals and a madman at the helm, who claims God sent him to free Iraq???
You'll say that's the stupidest thing you're ever read, but it's not quite true. Fact is, the country most outsiders worldwide hate the most right now is not Iran or North Korea or Libya. Its the United States. And that is the Bush Administration's fault, because it didn't use to be like that 5 years ago.
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No I won't say its the stupidest thing I've ever read................I'll say its the most confusing thing I ever read For Gods sake man you say the US wasn't hated as much 5 years ago well how do you explain the 1st bombing of the WTC and the attack on the US Cole? seriously you seem like an intelligent person but I guarentee if ANY REpublican was in office the same sort of hatred would be aimed at them. Not to go off topic but Ronald Reagan was vilified in the "American" (yes I'll use that word if I bloody want to) media and all he did was bring down the Soviet Union. You have your ideals which seem to be Bush son of Satan anyone else good, well we shall see when he leaves office won't we. You say Muslim countries that will *eventually* produce WMDs well unless I'm mistaken Pakistan has already tested several nuclear weapons (and no I'm not saying they are going to nuke America) plus do you actually know what a WMD is? its not necessarily a Nuke my friend it also includes Chemical and Biological weapons which severalrogue states have in HUGE quantities including IRAN and SYRIA. If you don't want to believe that well where do you think all those Soviet scientists went after the fall of the USSR? they didn't take up jobs as car park attendants they plied there trade on the open market most went to N.Korea and China but some (and thats all it takes) ended up in the middle east. I hope you are nice and safe in Costa Rica (but I suspect you live in the US) because its only a matter of time before another attack happens. Do you honestly believe that 9/11 was a 1 off? of course not because anyone that did is an idiot and would deserve everything they got. Enjoy your unrealistic view of the world man because its not the 1 everyone else is living in
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Tell ya what OonGahDooHah, read my post above on this topic. You really should read a thread from the beginning - you might find answers to such silly questions as "what does that have to do with installing democracy in Iraq again?"
And in response I ask that you read my post more carefully, for not only was it not in response to one of your posts, but it was in fact a response to a post very near "the beginning" of this thread.
For the record, I have indeed read your posts in this thread, and do not find them powerful in the slightest. I do not agree with your conclusions (perhaps more accurately, I do not agree with your framing of the situation), and think you are missing a large piece of the puzzle when you ignore the role of energy supplies in this conflict, and that we are taking a very backwards-facing approach to solving this problem. I also found your casual attitude towards the numbers of American dead in this conflict quite unfortunate... I sincerely hope that the majority of pro-war advocates do not share that with you.
As far as this poll goes, it's no surprise at all that people believe that Bush is the end to Democracy. We have a lot of extreme leftists registered here. It's no wonder that the one president willing to stand up to radical muslims is the target of criticism by those that think that 'live and let live' is the best policy. I suppose we should ignore the fact that radical muslims are the ones who started this war by such trivial acts as bombing the USS Cole, Bombing our embasssies in Kenya and Tanzania and twice bombing our world trade center buildings. But why should we retaliate, I mean it's only Dead American's right? There expendable in the liberal mind. Even if we do nothing, the radical factions of the world will keep doing what they're best at until someone stops them. Today Hamas gained control of Palestine. Do you think they're going to plant gardens and cure cancer with their new found power? Hell no. They're warmongers.
It's funny that the liberals want everyone to live in peace and harmony, but think that this can be achieved passively. Every long period of peace in human history has immediately followed a war. Protests and picket signs will not stop terrorists from strapping bombs on their bodies and stepping onto a bus in Israel or building bombs in Baghdad. If we leave Iraq (as the liberals want) without finishing the job, we will only be abandoning 30 million Iraquis that currently have a chance at a peaceful future. If you want peace, we have to remove those people willing to prevent it. But I guess since most leftists could care less about thousands of dead americans, it only stands to reason that they could give a shit less about millions of dead Iraquis.
Don't hold back now DLH...tell us what you really think!
btw...whether you meant it or were just trying to get the thread going...I'm in agreement!
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Quote: Since this was a poll, go check the democratic results of it.
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Ummm....sorry to burst your bubble Wes, but polls are not used to illustrate a truth. The results of the poll could just as easily be indicating that the majority of the people responding are misinformed.
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Quote: Hamas was democratically elected. So you're saying we shouldn't be supporting democracies in the Middle East? Remind me once more why are soldiers are dying in Iraq?
Review a little history.
Hitler was democratically elected.
By your own reasoning process, we should have supported him and there was no reason for millions of people to make war and die in order to stop his genocidal rampage.
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For Gods sake man you say the US wasn't hated as much 5 years ago well how do you explain the 1st bombing of the WTC and the attack on the US Cole?
I'm reffering to countries who aren't your sworn enemies. Those who wouldn't even think of attacking you, and that share many cultural ties with you. Like mine, for example. There are no costarican terrorists, but there are costaricans in the US Army. Still, because of your government you have become foul-smelling to many of us and to the world. Even amonst yourselves. Not just to Muslim nations ready to die for a lost cause.
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Not to go off topic but Ronald Reagan was vilified in the "American" (yes I'll use that word if I bloody want to) media and all he did was bring down the Soviet Union.
If you read what I just typed, I said the term "American" is correct. Not so to refer to one nation with the name of the continent, which you haven't (up to this point at least).
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You have your ideals which seem to be Bush son of Satan anyone else good, well we shall see when he leaves office won't we.
Not quite. I've been known to say in this very forum that every government in the world is corrupt and evil to at least some degree; not just the Bush Administration (I think it was in the "Worst President of the Year" thread) http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/237143/page/0/fpart/2/vc/1 . I condemn all innecessary loss of life, particularly that of innocent civillians; be it by hands of terrorists or of the military.
Quote: You say Muslim countries that will *eventually* produce WMDs well unless I'm mistaken Pakistan has already tested several nuclear weapons (and no I'm not saying they are going to nuke America) plus do you actually know what a WMD is? its not necessarily a Nuke my friend it also includes Chemical and Biological weapons which severalrogue states have in HUGE quantities including IRAN and SYRIA.
Its true that my view of WMDs may be narrower than yours in regards to not including chemical/biological (potential) weapons. I accept that. Still, neither type was found in important quantities. Thinking that Saddam had them transported out of the country right before the Army arrived is pushing the fiction a little too far, though.
And if Government officials knew that Syria or Iran possitively do have this kind of weaponry, why did they attack a place that they weren't sure about? Beats me.
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I hope you are nice and safe in Costa Rica (but I suspect you live in the US) because its only a matter of time before another attack happens.
I am in Moravia, a town NE of the capital city of San José. It's rainy and quite windy right now. Am I going to be safe? Hmmn... Well, from terrorism, quite safe, hopefully. We don't have that problem here, at least so far. That's part of the reason why so many Americans come down and stay here.
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Do you honestly believe that 9/11 was a 1 off? of course not because anyone that did is an idiot and would deserve everything they got.
I don't. I'm actually surprised that nothing else has happened so far. But they have attacked others, like Madrid and London. I share your view that it's sadly just a matter of time. And don't even think for a second that I will enjoy that, because you couldn't be farther from the truth.
All I do know is that it will never come to the point of actually using these weapons to cause the total annihilation of the human race. I have complete faith that God will not allow such an outcome, because His word says so.
(*the link above is the "Worst President of the Year Awards" thread from a month ago. On page two, there's a large post that says a lot of what I believe in regards to world leaders and good and evil)
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Quote: Since this was a poll, go check the democratic results of it.
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Ummm....sorry to burst your bubble Wes, but polls are not used to illustrate a truth. The results of the poll could just as easily be indicating that the majority of the people responding are misinformed.
So does Democracy. Yet some fight to the death to defend it.
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