Sorry Martin I would rather read academic books on the subject than watch documentaries as they are often presenting only a single point of view while ignoring the input of alternative ideas. They are made to highlight only a single position. And for all the private studying I have done on this issue, there is nothing to suggest that Exodus ever happened.

I found this interesting video on the Exodus based on the book I have quotes: Finkelstein, I & Silberman, N.A. 2002: The Bible Unearthed.

I never said it COULDN'T happen just that it DIDN'T happen for the Hebrews. And I watched that secular documentary (Exodus Revealed), many of the scholars and scientists didn't actually believe in the Exodus and they pointed out that the ''evidence'' found by a Christian archaeologists were fakes. So much for supporting your cause.

Anyway, documentaries are merely popularist presentations with a biased view anyway. I prefer to read numerous accredited papers on this subject rather than silly little documentaries.

Ah, Finkelstein. A great archaeologist and scholar and certainly one of the less nationalist and more sane from Israel.

Don't tell me... Ron Wyatt? The guy was a fraud. Even most christian archaeologists would admit that this guy was a nutcase. He apparently found chariot wheels in the Red Sea that turned out to be coral. He also apparently found Noah's Ark in Turkey that, vaguely resembling a boat, is definitely a natural formation. He listed every artefact and place mentioned in the bible amongst his finds. Not bad for somebody with no formal qualifications who couldn't actually the artefact later when he went back with a team of scholars.


EE_EE, being so much smarter than the rest of us could never see why we should trust books written by academics compared to watching The Discovery Channel.

It has got him in hot water too from the conservative element in Israel. A shame they had to make groundbreaking, important archaeological research into a political issue.

Apparently, Finkelstein and Silberman have made a 6 part documentary based on the book I mentioned above. I look forward to seeing it, even though I'm sort of reading the book on and off.

I think it was Ron Wyatt; his is, indeed, a complete fraud. The documentary was on a few weeks back but I had forgotten what it was called (something like 'Exploring Exodus').



Indeed. We are so stupid that we believe that academics are more trusty worthy than a channel made to entertain people who are sick of soaps and sitcoms. How foolish of us.

Ain't that the truth?! The conservative elements in Israel are much like the conservative element in the US and the UK, if evidence is found that contradicts their own opinions they shout it down and turn it into politics. It is sad that religion is so entrenched in the modern world that important archaeological research meets with criticism and religious ignorance instead of being taken for what they are and accepted.

Yes, I heard about that documentary based upon the book. I have no doubt that it will be inferior to the book and academic articles of Finkelstein and Silberman but I am sure it will be fascinating and inspire more people to question the lies stories in the Bible.

Who was Pharaoh?

A quick look around the interwebs at Bible literalist sources.

Ramses II
Why him? He led military campaigns into Syria and Israel to ensure that the Hittites never again threatened the Egyptian kingdom. Built a large city of Pi-Ramesse
Why not him? Died an old man (92) quietly in his bed, not at the bottom of The Red Sea. His body has found in its tomb.

Amenhotep II
Why him? Campaigned in Syria. Xenophobic toward non-Egyptians living in his kingdom.
Why not him? His body has found in its tomb. Dates of rule when compared to biblical texts don't add up. His reign is too early

Merenptah
Why him? Campaigned in Israel. The "Israel Stele" discusses Israel being wiped out. The Koran claims he was the Pharaoh of the Old Testament.
Why not him? His body has been found too. Clear signs of dying of natural causes.

Thutmose III
Why him? Militaristic Pharaoh who campaigned in Syria.
Why not him? Father of Amenhotep II. Died of natural causes. Body identified.

Akhenaten
Why him? Written evidence suggest the Jewish arrival in Canaan coincides with his reign. Amarna letters refer to Israelites in some detail
Why not him? Non-aggressive Pharaoh who became a recluse when he abandoned the old gods, concerning himself only with his city of Akhetaten and writing poetry.

More to follow.

And Matt's crusade to try and kill God continues.

this isnt just some guy explaining why he doesnt believe, this is an all out DAILY attack trying to hammer people of faith into renouncing it, and ridiculign them when they dont

makes me wonder what God did to Matty to generate so much hatered...........