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#1707247 - 12/30/08 02:07 AM "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born!
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Granted alot of this is likely debatable. But there's alot of stange coincidences here if it really is true or even if some is true.

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God-Men Like Jesus

It seems to me like there are an awful lot a Christians out there that seem absolutely positive that Jesus is, of course, unique and the first of his kind. They are unaware that the myth of their Christ is similar to several other god-men myths. Here are some of those other mythical god-men that Jesus, the Christian Messiah, apparently shares roots with. While most Christians are unaware of these god-men, others will deny their existence and say that I (or anyone else who mentions them) is telling a lie. If not that, the devil simply planted the story of Jesus into the minds of people long ago, to lead the astray from the true Christ.

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Mithra of Persia Zoroaster/Zarathustra
From The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold by Acharya S (Adventures Unlimited, 1999) pp 107-123
If you know of more god-men like Jesus that should be on here, go to my contact page and let me know. Thanks.
Attis of Phrygia

--Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana.
--He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind.
--His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers
--His priests were “eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.”
--He was both the Divine Son and the Father.
--On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth.
--He descended into the underworld.
--After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25 (as tradition held of Jesus) as the “Most High God.

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Dionysus/Bacchus

Dionysus or Bacchus is thought of as being Greek, but he is a remake of the Egyptian god Osiris, whose cult extended throughout a large part of the ancient world for thousands of years. Dionysus’s religion was well-developed in Thrace, northeast of Greece, and Phrygia, which became Galatia, where Attis also later reigned. Although a Dionysus is best remembered for the rowdy celebrations in his name, which was Latinized as Bacchus, he had many other functions and contributed several aspects to the Jesus character:

--Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger.
--He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
--He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.”
--He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
--Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25.
--He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
--He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.”
--He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.”
--He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
--His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.

As Walker says, Dionysus was “a prototype of Christ with a cult center at Jerusalem,” where during the 1st century BCE he was worshiped by Jews . . . Dionysus/Bacchus’s symbol was “IHS” or “IES,” which became “Iesus” or “Jesus.” The “IHS” is used to this day in Catholic liturgy and iconography.

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Horus/Osiris of Egypt


In the Egyptian myth, Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable, as in “I and my Father are one.” Concerning Osiris, Walker says:

Of all savior-gods worshiped at the beginning of the Christian era, Osiris may have contributed
more details to the evolving Christ figure than any other. Already very old in Egypt, Osiris was
identified with nearly every other Egyptian god and was on the way to absorbing them all. He
had well over 200 divine names. He was called the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods.
He was the Resurrection and the Life, the Good Shepherd, Eternity and Everlastingness, the god
who “made men and women to be born again.” Budge says, “From first to last, Osiris was to the
Egyptians the god-man who suffered, an died, and rose again, and reigned eternally in heaven.
They believed that they would inherit eternal life, just as he had done . . .”
Osiris’s coming was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and
Alnitak in the belt of Orion, which point directly to Osiris’s star in the east, Sirius (Sothis),
significator of his birth . . .
Certainly Osiris was a prototypical Messiah, as well as a devoured Host. His flesh was eaten
in the form of communion cakes of wheat, the “plant of Truth.” . . . The cult of Osiris contributed
a number of ideas and phrases to the Bible. The 23rd Psalm copied an Egyptian text appealing
to Osiris the Good Shepherd to lead the deceased to the “green pastures” and “still waters” of the
nefer-nefer land, to restore the soul to the body, and to give protection in the valley of the shadow
of death (the Tuat). The Lord’s Prayer was prefigured by an Egyptian hymn to Osiris-Amen
beginning, “O Amen, O Amen, who are in heaven.” Amen was also invoked at the end of every
prayer.

As Col. James Chruchward naively exclaims, “The teachings of Osiris and Jesus are wonderfully alike. Many passages are identically the same, word for word.”

Osiris was also the god of the vine and a great travelling teacher who civilized the world. He was the ruler and judge of the dead. In his passion, Osiris was plotted against and killed by Set and “the 72.” Like that of Jesus, Osiris’s resurrection served to provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal.

Osiris’s “son” or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:

--Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
--His earthly father was named “Seb” (“Joseph”).
--He was of royal descent.
--At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.
--Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by “Anup the Baptizer” (“John the Baptist”), who was decapitated.
--He had 12 desciples, two of who were his “witnesses” and were named “Anup” and “Aan” (the two “Johns”).
--He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus (“El-Osiris”), from the dead.
--Horus walked on water.
--His personal epithet was “Iusa,” the “ever-becoming son” of “Ptah,” the “Father.” He was thus called “Holy Child.”
--He delivered a “Sermon on the Mount” and his followers recounted the “Sayings of Iusa.”
--Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
--He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
--He was also the “Way, the Truth, the Light,” “Messiah,” “God’s Anointed Son,” “the “Son of Man,” the “Good Shepherd,” the “Lamb of God,” the “Word made flesh,” the “Word of Truth,” etc.
--He was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish (“Ichthys”), Lamb and Lion.
--He came to fulfill the Law.
--Horus was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One.”
--Like Jesus, “Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years.”

Furthermore, inscribed about 3,500 years ago [1500 years before Jesus’ alleged advent] on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph the “Holy Ghost,” impregnating the virgin; and with the infant being attended bh three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. In addition, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis—the original “Madonna and Child.” As Massey says:

It was the Gnostic art that reproduced the Hathor-Meri and Horus of Egypt as the Virgin
and child-Christ of Rome . . . You poor idiotai, said the Gnostics [to the early Christians],
you have mistaken the mysteries of old for modern history, and accepted literally all that
was only meant mystically.

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Krishna of India

The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah Krishna number in the hundreds, particularly when the early Christian texts now considered apocrypha are factored in. It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was “Christna,” which reveals its relation to “Christ.” Also, in Bengali, Krishna is reputedly “Christos,” which is the same as the Greek for “Christ” and which the soldiers of Alexander the Great called Krishna. It should be further noted that, as with Jesus, Buddha and Osiris, many people have believed and continue to believe in a historical Krishna. The following is a partial list of the correspondences between Jesus and Krishna:
--Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (“Divine One”) on December 25.
--His earthly father was a carpenter, who was off in the city paying tax while Krishna was born.
--His birth was signaled by a star in the east and attended by angels and shepherds, at which time he was presented with spices.
--The heavenly hosts danced and sang at his birth.
--He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
--Krishna was anointed on the head with oil by a woman whom he healed.
--He is depicted as having his foot on the head of a serpent.
--He worked miracles and wonders, raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.
--Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love, and he “lived poor and he loved the poor.”
--He castigated the clergy, charging them with “ambition and hypocrisy . . . Tradition says he fell victim to their vengeance.”
--Krishna’s “beloved disciple” was Arjuina or Ar-jouan (Jouhn).
--He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
--He gave his disciples the ability to work miracles.
--His path was “strewn with branches.”
--In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
--Krishna was killed around the age of 30, and the sun darkened at his death.
--He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven “in the sight of all men.”
--He was depicted on a cross with nail-holes in his feet, as well as having a heart emblem on his clothing.
--Krishna is the “lion of the tribe of Saki.”
--He was called the “Shepherd of God” and considered the “Redeemer,” “Firstborn,” “Sin-Bearer,” “Liberator,” “Universal Word.”
--He was deemed the “Son of God” and “our Lord and Savior,” who came to earth to die for man’s salvation.
--He was the second person of the Trinity.
--His disciples purportedly bestowed upon him the title “Jezeus,” or “Jeseus,” meaning “pure essence.”
--Krishna is to return to judge the dead, riding on a white horse, and to do battle with the “Prince of Evil,” who will desolate the earth.

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Mithra of Persia

--Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
--He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
--He had 12 companions or disciples.
--Mithra’s followers were promised immortality.
--He performed miracles.
--As the “great bull of the Sun,” Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
--He was buried in atomb and after three days rose again.
--His resurrection was celebrated every year.
--He was called “the Good Shepherd” and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.
--He was considered the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” and the “Logos,” [Word] “Redeemer,” “Savior” and “Messiah.”
--His sacred day was Sunday, the “Lord’s Day,” hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
--Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter.
--His religion had a eucharist or “Lord’s Supper,” at which Mithra said, “He who shall nto eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.”
--“His annual sacrifice is the Passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement of pledge of moral and physical regeneration.”

Furthermore, the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, and the Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced . . .
. . . Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier Pagan mystery religions.

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Zoroaster/Zarathustra

--Zoroaster was born of a virgin and “immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.”
--He was baptized in a river.
--In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom.
--He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil.
--He began his ministry at age 30.
--Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.”
--He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man.
--He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse.
--He had a sacred cup or grail.
--He was slain.
--His religion had a eucharist.
--He was the “Word made flesh.”
--Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 CE and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.





credit
http://www.geocities.com/inquisitive79/godmen.html
Though many of these statements can be found online elsewhere.

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#1707248 - 12/30/08 06:14 AM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: JT]
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These are all actually pretty well known and documented and contribute to the theory that nobody really knows what Jesus's early life was like and so most of the stories were created in order to give him an "origin" and not really based on actual events.

The official stance of the Catholic Church on these stories used to be that Satan knew that Jesus was coming, so he created all these older myths in order to make people not believe. I've heard some people say that is *still* the official stance, but I don't know.

I'm Jewish, but it always seems to me that religion and belief is based on faith. It has long been accepted in Jewish tradition that many of the stories in the Bible are allegorical, and it doesn't seem to me that the birth story shouldn't have any effect at all on faith. So the thought that the birth story may not be accurate shouldn't affect the belief of Christians, nor should it somehow "invalidate" that belief.

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#1707249 - 12/30/08 06:48 AM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: ssinger]
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Actually it is more likely that Christianity traces its roots from Jewish traditions. The disciples of Jesus and the writers of the New Testament (except for Luke, who was a friend of Paul) were Jewish. They would have balked at these other pagan myths. Also the geographical and historical limitations of when the books of New Testament were written (even with the most liberal opinion - all written before 100AD) would have prevented these pagan myths from ever being written into scripture.
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#1707250 - 12/30/08 02:53 PM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: Crux Australis]
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So there is no way that people who wrote the Bible did not know something about history? What is listed above is more than just a birthday coincidence. It's also many of their lives, their miracles, their disciples, their resurrections. Some of those mentioned above are from Egypt, which is right next door to "the Holy Land". Especially since the Bibles were written centuries after these men. It sounds very simplistic that the Church would say these are stories from Satan. What a cop out.
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#1707251 - 12/30/08 03:02 PM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: JT]
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So there is no way that people who wrote the Bible did not know something about history? What is listed above is more than just a birthday coincidence. It's also many of their lives, their miracles, their disciples, their resurrections. Some of those mentioned above are from Egypt, which is right next door to "the Holy Land". Especially since the Bibles were written centuries after these men. It sounds very simplistic that the Church would say these are stories from Satan. What a cop out.





The Bible also had made mention of many references to numerous false prophets and anti-christs in the scriptures.

Be careful as to what you read.
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#1707252 - 12/30/08 03:10 PM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: 1oldminer]
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Quote:

Quote:

So there is no way that people who wrote the Bible did not know something about history? What is listed above is more than just a birthday coincidence. It's also many of their lives, their miracles, their disciples, their resurrections. Some of those mentioned above are from Egypt, which is right next door to "the Holy Land". Especially since the Bibles were written centuries after these men. It sounds very simplistic that the Church would say these are stories from Satan. What a cop out.





The Bible also had made mention of many references to numerous false prophets and anti-christs in the scriptures.

Be careful as to what you read.




Be careful as to what you read.
Of course they'll say that. They base themselves on the one and only Jesus Christ and/or God (depending on what you believe). Even if some of these people were as factual as say George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, the church would still dispute their lives as fake prophets.
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#1707253 - 12/30/08 04:59 PM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: JT]
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For the writer that started this post: It sounds like you are just trying to start an argument.
I was always taught to never argue or debate about politics or religion.
I do not think this is a post one should put up at christmas time. It is good to have faith. I pity the man who doesn't have faith. As for the non believers and false prophets. I will end this discussion with a quote from Johnny Cash. - "Sooner or later God will cut you down"

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#1707254 - 12/30/08 05:26 PM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: cgrimes]
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#1707255 - 12/30/08 05:29 PM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: cgrimes]
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But mate, this IS the Religion and Politics section. We will debate these issues here, albeit keeping it in a friendly, "agree to disagree" if necessary tone.
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#1707256 - 12/30/08 05:52 PM Re: "God-Men like Jesus", born December 25th, before Jesus Christ was born! [Re: cgrimes]
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For the writer that started this post: It sounds like you are just trying to start an argument.
I was always taught to never argue or debate about politics or religion.
I do not think this is a post one should put up at christmas time. It is good to have faith. I pity the man who doesn't have faith. As for the non believers and false prophets. I will end this discussion with a quote from Johnny Cash. - "Sooner or later God will cut you down"




Which one?
boy I sure hope it's Buddha so I can be reincarnated as the alien god from Scientology. Sure would be cool to rule a bunch of hot babe celebrities.

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