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Why are the two great books of Islam and Judaism not attacked the way the bible is?
because in this discussion the Christian beliefs about the subject were brought up.
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Quote: PARABLES! The bible is a book of parables, not tales. People on both sides of the religious divide forget that.
I'm pretty religious and I think a good spanking now and then does wonders....nothing like a round red arse in your face.
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parables teach a "moral" lesson yes? however imho the bibles version of morals extremely questionable
I don't believe they are. You have to remember the bible was written thousands of years ago during times where some of the "questionable" content was very acceptable.
I am a pretty devout Catholic (well as much as I can be considering I smoke, drink, and have/had a drug problem), but I don't believe God came down from heaven and told Mathew, Mark, Luke or John what to write in their gospels. These were God fearing but ignorant people who put down what they believed God wanted them to, the problem is what was acceptable 2 thousand years ago now seems like an abomination. A lot of the stories in the bible may end in death etc but the underlying themes are basically about how to lead a good life. Why are the two great books of Islam and Judaism not attacked the way the bible is?
In the case of the Koran or Qu'ran as some refer it to, people who are atheist or agnostic, especially the liberal leaning side are quite reluctant to criticize (let alone openly bash it) for fear of backlash. Christians and Jews tend to be less offended than muslums when thier sacred books are attacked. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.
I for one don't believe one should never bad mouth another one's faith, even if we don't believe in the same doctrine.
I am married to a Muslim and I (and she) agree Islam is skipped over when it comes to slagging for fear of retribution, BUT Judaism is also sacred. I live in America and if you make a Jewish joke you are automatically a Nazi, no ifs ands or buts. Sorry I am waffling, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. What I am saying is that in this very thread the point was made about not forcing 1000 year old beliefs on people, but condemning the bible for the very same thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Romans were one of the most bloodthirsty cultures in history but they aren't condemned for killing people in the various arenas. Why is that?
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Quote: PARABLES! The bible is a book of parables, not tales. People on both sides of the religious divide forget that.
I'm pretty religious and I think a good spanking now and then does wonders....nothing like a round red arse in your face.
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parables teach a "moral" lesson yes? however imho the bibles version of morals extremely questionable
I don't believe they are. You have to remember the bible was written thousands of years ago during times where some of the "questionable" content was very acceptable.
I am a pretty devout Catholic (well as much as I can be considering I smoke, drink, and have/had a drug problem), but I don't believe God came down from heaven and told Mathew, Mark, Luke or John what to write in their gospels. These were God fearing but ignorant people who put down what they believed God wanted them to, the problem is what was acceptable 2 thousand years ago now seems like an abomination. A lot of the stories in the bible may end in death etc but the underlying themes are basically about how to lead a good life. Why are the two great books of Islam and Judaism not attacked the way the bible is?
In the case of the Koran or Qu'ran as some refer it to, people who are atheist or agnostic, especially the liberal leaning side are quite reluctant to criticize (let alone openly bash it) for fear of backlash. Christians and Jews tend to be less offended than muslums when thier sacred books are attacked. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.
I for one don't believe one should never bad mouth another one's faith, even if we don't believe in the same doctrine.
I am married to a Muslim and I (and she) agree Islam is skipped over when it comes to slagging for fear of retribution, BUT Judaism is also sacred. I live in America and if you make a Jewish joke you are automatically a Nazi, no ifs ands or buts. Sorry I am waffling, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. What I am saying is that in this very thread the point was made about not forcing 1000 year old beliefs on people, but condemning the bible for the very same thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Romans were one of the most bloodthirsty cultures in history but they aren't condemned for killing people in the various arenas. Why is that?
the romans are most definatly in the past, however christianity or if you feel its being unfairly singled out "the three desert dogmas" ( i cant take credit for that name) are very much with us and making themselves heard, for example trying to force creationist theories into science classes
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I'm pretty religious and I think a good spanking now and then does wonders....nothing like a round red arse in your face.
o_0........
parables teach a "moral" lesson yes? however imho the bibles version of morals extremely questionable
I don't believe they are. You have to remember the bible was written thousands of years ago during times where some of the "questionable" content was very acceptable.
I am a pretty devout Catholic (well as much as I can be considering I smoke, drink, and have/had a drug problem), but I don't believe God came down from heaven and told Mathew, Mark, Luke or John what to write in their gospels. These were God fearing but ignorant people who put down what they believed God wanted them to, the problem is what was acceptable 2 thousand years ago now seems like an abomination. A lot of the stories in the bible may end in death etc but the underlying themes are basically about how to lead a good life. Why are the two great books of Islam and Judaism not attacked the way the bible is?
In the case of the Koran or Qu'ran as some refer it to, people who are atheist or agnostic, especially the liberal leaning side are quite reluctant to criticize (let alone openly bash it) for fear of backlash. Christians and Jews tend to be less offended than muslums when thier sacred books are attacked. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.
I for one don't believe one should never bad mouth another one's faith, even if we don't believe in the same doctrine.
I am married to a Muslim and I (and she) agree Islam is skipped over when it comes to slagging for fear of retribution, BUT Judaism is also sacred. I live in America and if you make a Jewish joke you are automatically a Nazi, no ifs ands or buts. Sorry I am waffling, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. What I am saying is that in this very thread the point was made about not forcing 1000 year old beliefs on people, but condemning the bible for the very same thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Romans were one of the most bloodthirsty cultures in history but they aren't condemned for killing people in the various arenas. Why is that?
the romans are most definatly in the past, however christianity or if you feel its being unfairly singled out "the three desert dogmas" ( i cant take credit for that name) are very much with us and making themselves heard, for example trying to force creationist theories into science classes
Why does everyone automatically think of Christianity when someone mentions creationism? Its not as if we started the whole ideal of a greater power.
As to the whole "forcing their views", atheists are much more forceful in ramming the idea that there is no God down your throat than the worst Christian. Have you been in an American college? I have (thats the reason I live here) and even professors will attack you if you even try to bring God or religion into a debate.
There are a lot of Christians around the world who don't talk like Jerry Faldwell (sp?) but we always get painted with the same brush.
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Quote: PARABLES! The bible is a book of parables, not tales. People on both sides of the religious divide forget that.
I'm pretty religious and I think a good spanking now and then does wonders....nothing like a round red arse in your face.
o_0........
parables teach a "moral" lesson yes? however imho the bibles version of morals extremely questionable
I don't believe they are. You have to remember the bible was written thousands of years ago during times where some of the "questionable" content was very acceptable.
I am a pretty devout Catholic (well as much as I can be considering I smoke, drink, and have/had a drug problem), but I don't believe God came down from heaven and told Mathew, Mark, Luke or John what to write in their gospels. These were God fearing but ignorant people who put down what they believed God wanted them to, the problem is what was acceptable 2 thousand years ago now seems like an abomination. A lot of the stories in the bible may end in death etc but the underlying themes are basically about how to lead a good life. Why are the two great books of Islam and Judaism not attacked the way the bible is?
In the case of the Koran or Qu'ran as some refer it to, people who are atheist or agnostic, especially the liberal leaning side are quite reluctant to criticize (let alone openly bash it) for fear of backlash. Christians and Jews tend to be less offended than muslums when thier sacred books are attacked. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.
I for one don't believe one should never bad mouth another one's faith, even if we don't believe in the same doctrine.
I am married to a Muslim and I (and she) agree Islam is skipped over when it comes to slagging for fear of retribution, BUT Judaism is also sacred. I live in America and if you make a Jewish joke you are automatically a Nazi, no ifs ands or buts. Sorry I am waffling, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. What I am saying is that in this very thread the point was made about not forcing 1000 year old beliefs on people, but condemning the bible for the very same thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Romans were one of the most bloodthirsty cultures in history but they aren't condemned for killing people in the various arenas. Why is that?
the romans are most definatly in the past, however christianity or if you feel its being unfairly singled out "the three desert dogmas" ( i cant take credit for that name) are very much with us and making themselves heard, for example trying to force creationist theories into science classes
There are quite a few scientists out there who are quite convinced that an intelligent hand created the heavens and the wonderous spheres like our blue world, based on all thier mathematical calculations/theories, many have concluded that existance did not come into being by random chance, the odds are far too great to be numbered for all this come into being with such precision.
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We need to start respecting the opinions of others and stop making a big fight out of all this. Keeping thoughts to yourself is a virtue.
I have a very religious Christian friend named Bill, he respects the sanctity of marriage and says he's only 'lose it' when he's marriage. But not once has he lashed out or even raised an issue at any of his friends who have a habit of going to parties and taking one night stands.
I have Muslim friends too, not once have I heard them say, "that women isn't covered...she's disgraceful and will go to Hell", "You eat pork? You're scum, we're not talking to each other again".
I wouldn't say, I'm strictly religious, but I do agree with a lot of Buddhist concepts. Killing for one will generate karma and that will cause great suffering in the future (whether it's your current life or a later one). Do you ever see me going around and bashing threads about hunting and guns ? Buddhists never go around accusing others of wrong doing - they don't try to force their beliefs on others.
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By "win" I don't mean categorically proving God does or doesn't exist. I mean the whole.....ahhh fuck it....to be honest I dont care if someone is ignorant
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